I can't wait to see who else becomes a convicted felon 2025 on....
Time to weed out the communists from within our BORDERS!
Bro, I was saying in 2020 you would be better off losing this one. Progressives had some momentum within the party, and you could have laid all the post pandemic problems off on Trump.
Ya'll can keep this coping introspection up if you want but I'll tell you what's going to happen. The Democratic party is going to move to the right again
I mean what are we supposed to doI think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective
It won't last
I don't know butI mean what are we supposed to do
This is boring
Spot on tbh. It moves the needle for Republicans in a big way as ammo, while Democrats are more like, "well ok why not, who cares, it doesn't affect me, it's a fringe issue." It doesn't drive democrats to the booth like it does Republicans, even if they're in principle for it. , even abortion rights and status didn't drive women to the polls in strong favor of Harris. There's a huge disconnect here, as you say, between what will drive Democrats to the booth and what Democrats think will do so.
In retrospect, it's clear that not nearly enough Democrats believe all of the fascist/anti-women/end of our democracy stuff, or at least, feel strongly enough about it to turn out. They simply didn't, and don't. It has, is and continues to be about the wallet for 9 out of 10 Americans, messages about freedom, rights and/or democracy be damned. Facts of life.
Choke on it!
How can yall seriously keep harping on "democracy" when you voted for an installed candidate with nothing of value to speak of?
Welcome back Leet... You going to pretend I'm still on ignore though? I can be cordial if you can, bud.
Yeah, I think it's as simple as Harris being a primary face of the current administration who is saddled with all of the problems the post-pandemic period includes. They should have made this decision in 2022 at the latest and forced Biden out then rather than waiting way beyond the primaries, when someone much more distal to the democratic machine in DC could have made in-roads with Americans on the fence. No one was buying Harris is going to change anything (I said as much recently in a thread - that she would keep things relatively the same), which is what the electorate wanted to hear (and actually believe). They would have been willing to hear it from someone outside the administration or on its fringes, but not from Harris.You saw glimmers of it during parts of Harris's campaign until it kind of fell apart. Appealing to union workers; offering financial assistance for home buyers; lowering taxes on the lower brackets, etc... That focus should be the backbone of a campaign: concrete policies that appeal to voters financial interests. Yes, discussing policy is going to go over the heads of mouthbreathers in Alabama. But having cogent policies that can tangibly improve voters' financial conditions should win out the rantings ofinflation
DNC has obviously been a major part of the problem since 2016. The super delegates, the billionaire donors calling the shots behind the scenes, etc are doing them no favors. I don't see that changing any time soon, though.
You were but tbh I don't see the point since I still see your posts when someone quotes you anywayWelcome back Leet... You going to pretend I'm still on ignore though? I can be cordial if you can, bud.
Olive branch is officially extended
i dno why could cry fraud for a few months and try to overturn the election and then storm the capitalI mean what are we supposed to do
you answered your own question
Pootin is democratically elected by that logic
You son of a , I'm in
Let's be real for a second SR. What's alluded to when the establishment, ngo's, the MSM, et al. keep claiming "our democracy"? Do some deep thinking and research bro. Same has been said by Mao and others. We are a damn Republic where Democracy is a pillar of said Republic but by no means a true Democracy where the elites own everything and play us peasants off against each other or worse, line us up against a wall.
You probably think I'm insane, which is fine by me, but you can't keep claiming Democracy is lost when you quite literally ushered in an installed candidate with no primary to speak of. Give me a break!
Tell me where to ship your Amazon ordered Blue-Anon Shaman Halloween outfit to, bud.
Dude I was getting so tired of them trotting all these Dems out there with the same rhetoric. It’s like they were on script. Even Obama who was supposed to be the top surrogate. Every one of Harris’s speeches were almost exactly the same verbatim. To the average Joe you just come across as a normal politician. Trump talks a bunch of crap but he talks like a normal person which how bad he destroyed Harris and Clinton obviously works . Shoot at tbis point I wish they had run Bernie for all of thatBro, I was saying in 2020 you would be better off losing this one. Progressives had some momentum within the party, and you could have laid all the post pandemic problems off on Trump.
Ya'll can keep this coping introspection up if you want but I'll tell you what's going to happen. The Democratic party is going to move to the right again
The thought that the Fourth Reich will ever allow a fair election is hilarious.
Also the 2020 primaries were already proof Harris was unelectable.
this republic/democracy thing has always frustrated me democracy is a distribution of power whose ultimate source is "the people." we vote, we decide how that power is delegated. a republic is a form of government where representatives of said people actually vote for laws, policies, etc. they are not mutually exclusive concepts... ie are we a democracy or a republic. we are both!
no, i wasnt a fan of kamala being declared the nominee. there is a primary process. but in bents typically go unopposed or at least meaningfully unopposed. technically bill weld primaried against the in bent trump in 2020 and he won 1 delegate. this time dean phillips primaried against biden and won 4 delegates.
the mistake, as i said at the top of this thread, was that biden withdrew very late in the process which blew the odds of a true open primary taking place which would have been preferable. its hardly an attack on democracy for the in bent to decide he doesnt want to run anymore.
there is an attack on democracy when peoples votes are disregarded. there was a deliberate and overt attempt to do just that following the 2020 election
all the other stuff you mentioned about elites and whatnot is a separate issue from whether or not we have a democratic process
If Democrats had any spine, though, they wouldn't move to the right at all again but even further left. They'd play a long game of being destroyed by Republicans for an election cycle or few until the average Joe is willing to roll the dice on someone else because Republicans, like every party, become less popular. 2036 I'd say, if Democrats are lucky. Once they have the mandate Republicans do right now, they undo whatever they consider crazy and then establish all of their own agenda prerogatives. Moving as one party instead of a rag tag group of dumbasses who can't agree on like Gaza or being overly concerned about appearances and celebrities would be required. Rinse and repeat.
They won't, though. They're just, if not more, beholden to their corporate donors who will never allow them to move left far enough to accomplish anything they talk about. They're dead in the water at this point, because they're just a less right wing party than Republicans on the grand scale.
LOL still thinking there will be elections again. We lost; it's over; we have a king now.
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