Post Mortem Thread

[vy65]

Great example of the hyperbole that's been activated. It's straight up fascist, bro, when you could theoretically accuse someone of being a and possibly get them on a list to be deported with minimal government oversight, which is exactly what Trump wants. No question. You can deny it but it's a fact. I understand the feeling it won't you affect you/yours, at least in part as a fellow white dude. But I do have close family who could be affected by such craziness, despite being 4th/5th generation Americans bro. It's a slippery slope but hey, it's what Americans, including Latinos, want. Brown people make up the majority of illegals in this country and so a reckoning is in order. I'm dealing with it, and so will everyone who doesn't want to be put on a list.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I couldn't resist pointing out the following. Rounding up and deporting immigrants isn't fascism. It could, and certainly, has been the policy of fascist states to round up individuals of particular ethnological groups and deport them. The right descriptor would be nativist.

I don't mean to quibble - but - you have to be careful with criticizing hyperbole (a criticism I agree with) while engaging in it yourself.

[Robz4000]

I mean, if you think Dems have it bad, Europe is probably ting bricks right now

You mean the USSR?

[SnakeBoy]

Nah, I'm on the 'summarily shot' list.

Unlike Nazis, we have to reeducate you first. Once saved, we can send you to Jesus.

[z0sa]

Mexico will pay for the bullet

[ElNono]

The moment he starts talking/joking about what his 3rd term is going to look like is when you check if your European passport needs renewal, tbh... That's facism testing the waters.

[vy65]

Has anyone done a welfare check on Zelensky or otherwise gotten proof of life?

[SnakeBoy]

The moment he starts talking/joking about what his 3rd term is going to look like is when you check if your European passport needs renewal, tbh... That's facism testing the waters.

I hear the UK is a nice place for the woke

[koriwhat]

Great example of the hyperbole that's been activated. It's straight up fascist, bro, when you could theoretically accuse someone of being a and possibly get them on a list to be deported with minimal government oversight, which is exactly what Trump wants. No question. You can deny it but it's a fact. I understand the feeling it won't you affect you/yours, at least in part as a fellow white dude. But I do have close family who could be affected by such craziness, despite being 4th/5th generation Americans bro. It's a slippery slope but hey, it's what Americans, including Latinos, want. Brown people make up the majority of illegals in this country and so a reckoning is in order. I'm dealing with it, and so will everyone who doesn't want to be put on a list.

I have friends, illegal and legal, and yes the point you've brought up is tough. I have close relationships with both illegal and legal "migrants". I'm torn too bro but you either have a country or you don't. This isn't a black or white issue tbh and the gray area is very tough to sort out without chaos to come and sorrow.

I don't necessarily think this is the best way to go about things but this is my thinking, those who came illegally and have contributed while trying to integrate should have some sort of moratorium on deportation to the point of a path to legal citizenship. Those we have flown in, in the past few yrs, and those we told to flood the border, from all over the world, should be deported asap.

I'm merely a dude on a messageboard so I clearly don't have a definitive answer. I feel for you z0sa and the stress that you're bearing atm.

[koriwhat]

Has anyone done a welfare check on Zelensky or otherwise gotten proof of life?

He's probably getting butt ed rn by Sean Penn while doing rails off Bono's ass.

[ElNono]

I hear the UK is a nice place for the woke

Plenty of functioning democracies out there, tbh... most of the world, actually.

[spurraider21]

She and those behind the scenes controlling her, Biden, and co are a threat to our Republic and we need to eradicate them and their ideology. Sorry but not sorry. They are a true threat to your way of life, mine, and every American here who sees and can't see the forest from the trees.

It's hyperbole to the extreme unfortunately. I can certainly agree with you even though we never agree. People are crazy to think otherwise.

[hater]

I hear the UK is a nice place for the woke

UK is the biggest dictatorship in the West tbqh


Just look at the parade of re s they keep putting in power without a single vote from the people

UK is a joke of a country

[Thread]

UK is the biggest dictatorship in the West tbqh


Just look at the parade of re s they keep putting in power without a single vote from the people

UK is a joke of a country

hater

[ElNono]

UK is the biggest dictatorship in the West tbqh

Just look at the parade of re s they keep putting in power without a single vote from the people

UK is a joke of a country

They're a monarchy after all

[Thread]

They're a monarchy after all

That's just for the souvenir commerce.

[z0sa]

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I couldn't resist pointing out the following. Rounding up and deporting immigrants isn't fascism. It could, and certainly, has been the policy of fascist states to round up individuals of particular ethnological groups and deport them. The right descriptor would be nativist.

I don't mean to quibble - but - you have to be careful with criticizing hyperbole (a criticism I agree with) while engaging in it yourself.

It isn't the rounding up immigrants part I'm calling fascist, though, tbf. It's the possibility of pissing off the wrong person in power who can then add yours/your family's name to such list(s) and having very little recourse against it that I would consider fascist.

Of course, I'm perfectly willing to admit this is absolutely theoretical - at the moment - but it's based in Trump's own words. Since he's willing to deport even legal immigrants, there's no reason to think citizens couldn't be caught up - even if only by mistake - in such affairs. Furthermore, if conservatives hate big bad govt as corrupt, they'll admit a massive government undertaking like deporting 25+ million people will be just as corrupt if they are honest. Part of that corruption would certainly include human trafficking, and there's no reason to think citizens, legal immigrants or illegals alike would be immune. Again, don't think I will ever personally or even my family personally face such issues, but the window for corruption is there.

[ElNono]

That's just for the souvenir commerce.

[spurraider21]

Plenty of functioning democracies out there, tbh... most of the world, actually.

if we were actually going to pack up and leave i'd probably look to sweden tbh. wife was born there, her parents are still citizens even though they all live here

nato protection as well

[koriwhat]

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Is it truly hyperbole? Biden's admin looks similar to whose admin? Kamala is just like Biden, an empty vessel.

We don't have to agree, which is fine by me, but time and time again hyperbole is a tool used by the left. "Bloodbath","Dictator","Hitler","our democracy","Handmaiden's Tale",etc....

It's not hyperbole to claim the real threat is another 4 yrs under the same boot of real fascists who work with the private sector to silence their political opponents, try to imprison their political opponent, de-person(persona non grata) those they disagree with, telling us we're in good shape while we all clearly feel the weight of our economy on our backs, claiming we should have free this or that while they send billions to a non Nato ally to give them everything they claim they want for us, etc... It's an illusion you've bought into.

The real threat is claiming more than half of the voting demo in this nation are deplorable is and will be their biggest mistake.

Again, I voted Obama twice and the only thing that got me questioning everything was the hatred for Trump post-escalator. I wondered how he was so beloved when I was growing up, by Whoopi and all celebs, DC, et al, only to be demonized once he ran for office. It boggled my mind and I sat there in 2016 during election night, with my dying grandfather who was a very smart electrical engineer from the 70's, as we both watched in excitement that the Clinton Dynasty was finally squashed. Trump didn't need my vote nor my grandfather's to beat that old hag. We didn't vote but we knew the alternative would be true for the USA and all of us Americans. My wake up call was the mountain of hate from the tolerant, or so I was told, left.

[Blake]

There's also an unspoken arrogance that comes with not addressing the elephants in the room. The messaging could have been

-Yes, inflation has been historically high under Biden. He didn't cause it; Trump did due to his mishandling of Covid. It's now coming down, and I'll make sure it keeps coming down to help out on interest rates, which impact every families bottom line
-Yes, I said I would ban fracking. I have new data now that shows me that I was wrong. I'm not afraid to admit so because I will do whatever is best for the American people.
-Yes, I said some crazy DEI . Again, I have no information and admit I was wrong about that.
-Yes, we've put out some exceedingly draconian tax measures - but we need those to not bankrupt the country. Trump will add 6T to the deficit and has no plan for combatting it.
-Yes, what is happening in Gaza is deplorable. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are our enemies, but we need our Israeli allies to do better because what they've done so far is unconscionable.

-Now, the guy you're voting for is i) an idiot ii) a convicted felon iii) has nothing resembling any sort of plan for any sort of policy iv) is an idiot and v) wants to destroy this country.

This shouldn't have been this difficult.

Strange too that I don't recall one time Kamala talking about gun control which I think would have been a needle mover.

[Blake]

if we were actually going to pack up and leave i'd probably look to sweden tbh. wife was born there, her parents are still citizens even though they all live here

nato protection as well

Meh, we lasted 4 years of utter swamp mess before. At least it's not 8.... I think...

[spurraider21]

Meh, we lasted 4 years of utter swamp mess before. At least it's not 8.... I think...

tbh i have no plans of leaving. was just adding to that convo

luckily we'll be privileged enough to deal with what comes our way on an individual level

[Blake]

tbh i have no plans of leaving. was just adding to that convo

luckily we'll be privileged enough to deal with what comes our way on an individual level

Yeah but I mean it's a thought. I can't wait until all these old ers that voted Trump have a pre existing condition and get their doctor bill.

[z0sa]

I have friends, illegal and legal, and yes the point you've brought up is tough. I have close relationships with both illegal and legal "migrants". I'm torn too bro but you either have a country or you don't. This isn't a black or white issue tbh and the gray area is very tough to sort out without chaos to come and sorrow.

I don't necessarily think this is the best way to go about things but this is my thinking, those who came illegally and have contributed while trying to integrate should have some sort of moratorium on deportation to the point of a path to legal citizenship. Those we have flown in, in the past few yrs, and those we told to flood the border, from all over the world, should be deported asap.

I'm merely a dude on a messageboard so I clearly don't have a definitive answer. I feel for you z0sa and the stress that you're bearing atm.

I appreciate you dude, we've always kept it real.

As for the border, I mean, this is one of the things I'm on the fence about and what makes an independent. I believe that in the past, up til some time in the 20th century, America was a beacon and had plenty of room, jobs, affordable housing (relatively), etc for everyone.

We simply can't afford to keep our current lifestyle and continue to believe that's true at all anymore. I saw the unfortunate hypocrisy of sanctuary cities and states being overrun by illegals from the southern states and while it was a marketing ploy at best, it worked. These places, like NYC, were crying out for support and looking like fools doing it. They can barely deal with busloads of people, at least in a way that is politically correct for the Democratic base, but expect cities here in Texas to deal with exponentially more of the same without complaining about it and/or being called racist for it. I get it, I do - it's just a sad state of affairs.

The isolationist turn is compelling, though not one I personally agree with in full. I'd rather Ukrainians dying than Americans or our NATO allies, but hey, if Russia just controls Ukraine, maybe no one else dies for a while. It's appeasement in theory but people in the USA don't care. The electorate has spoken - so I'm moving on.

[SnakeBoy]

It looks like the calm introspection phase has transitioned into hopelessness and despair. Anger phase should be up next.

Let's see if we can stave it off for a while with an uplifting music video