Yes I do. I don't know why you think it's ridiculous when the supreme court has literally made him above the law as long as he calls his crimes official acts. He tried to overturn the 2020 election and now he can do it in 2028 with no legal repercussion. Do you think Trump is lying when he says he will jail his opponents and will jail the press? Drives me nuts when liberals don't take him seriously.
Look, I've made it clear that I'm absolutely no fan of the guy. And, everything you've said is true. But a 3rd term is beyond the pale and would require buy-in from the military, the entire civil service, etc... Maybe this is naivete, but I just don't see that happening because it's a red line. It's telling that the plot to Civil War is this exact fact pattern.
They are already getting whatever they want
even if its not as blatant as third term for him, what if he just plants his successor
What does "plant" mean? like he just one day says, starting on Jan 20, 2029, Baron Trump will be the new president?
To be clear, I fully expect a high level of evil ery. But there's a limit to the doom-and-gloom for me, at least for now.
Staging a coup attempt isn't a red line? Nothing happened to him for sending his brownshirts to hang Mike Pence and Pelosi and everyone who stole the 2020 election from him. Trump has also been crystal clear civil service employees are gone and will be replaced with loyalists.
if he hand picks the next republican nominee, the base will do whatever he says. if he decides its Vance, he will stump around with him and magaland will obey. then he uses the power of government behind him to ensure results. intimidation of voters/opposition. or just ing with the electoral count. was going to happen last time but mike ing pence bailed the country out. thats the only reason we have a new VP this time around. and vance has already said he wouldnt have certified the 2020 election.
I agree it was a coup and I agree that it was a red line. The problem was it wasn't so immediately clear to some what Trump was doing. He never came out and tweeted something like "storm the capital, steal the election." Whereas the 22nd amendment is clear - you get two terms. If he were to remain for a third, I don't see how anyone could say he wasn't violating the cons ution/his oath of office.
I quickly read through the wiki for Trump v. US, so bag of salt, but there's not absolute immunity for whatever Trump does, period. There is presumptive immunity for official acts, but not for private ones. If he directly violates the cons ution by refusing to leave the oval office, I just don't see how that can be considered an "official act" as opposed to an ultra vires/private act. I'm not saying we're safe by any means. All I'm saying is that I can't conjure up a fact pattern, short of a repeal of the 22nd. There is no way 38 states would vote to repeal. (I hope those aren't famous last words)
That's what the courts are for. I recognize that does not inspire a lot of confidence, but if a court enjoins him from ing with the election, and he goes ahead and does it anyway, then you're kind of in all bets are off territory
the jan 6 magats who stormed the capital. we were mike ing pence's conscience away from being thrown right into a cons utional crisis. all at trump's direction.
same MAGA supreme court that just told him he will have the immunity of a king? that's what you are hanging your hat on?
If Trump* truly is a fascist and following fascist principles, then the Hitler playbook is have, or let happen, another incident like January 6th (or whatever could be analogous to the Reichstag fire) if democrats win then invoke presidential immunity to shut everything down for safety reasons and play out the cards as they turn. Vance would permanently refuse to certify the election in such a case and wouldn't go near Capitol Hill. Even if it fails, the SCOTUS likely covers his/their ass under immunity as a presidential act to prevent terrorism or whatever. It's simplified and strongly hypothetical but far from unimaginable
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Is that what the opinion said? I haven't read it, but I'd be hard pressed to think they'd immunize him from an overt uncons utional act, much less a criminal one. But I don't know, you could be right.
Interesting hypothetical. So what's the end game? He stays in power as we're in limbo forever?
Sotomayor's dissent specifically mentioned the president would be immune to charges for sending Seal Team Six to murder an opponent.
Saw that in the wiki. Looks like it was the hypothetical that lead the COA to affirm the dist courts ruling. For what its worth, this is what the wiki says about Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion:
Roberts responded to the dissent, stating that the majority opinion was a narrower ruling than Sotomayor had described and referred to her hypothetical scenarios as fear mongering
I'm not saying that there's nothing to worry about. There is. All I'm saying is that there is still a limit as to what the people will tolerate.
Seems like we're in all bets are off territory right now.
I think at that point they use alt-media sources to paint the democratic victor as the source, directly or indirectly, of the problem, followed by getting rid of said problem in the name of protecting the republic, along with as many other high ranking democrats as they can "reasonably" draw into the conspiracy.
it's clear Americans don't care now and the vast majority of them will believe whatever he says at this point, at least among those who vote for him. If he's feeling strong enough to go that far, and again this is all hypothetical, it's fair to say they will believe him when he says the democrats not only cheated again but are by force attempting to take the presidency. Until "proper" elections could be held, it would remain in his control.
The primary thing stopping Trump from achieving something like this is his age, which I've mentioned before. I doubt this all comes to fruition because he's too old, but in this highly theoretical situation, his successor would be much younger, would have already won the Republican primaries and thus, would already have a large cons uency of supporters. The writing could already be on the wall, tbh.
At this point, it's easy to understand why the Germans let the Nazis take over and do all their crazy . People simply don't care as long as we have our bread and circuses. Our holdout is literally hoping Trump really does love his country and/or there's not enough momentum (like you said) in the federal government, including the SCOTUS, to actually achieve these ends.
The Germans were sick of the civil war between the nazis and communists and were just happy it was over, and they also grossly underestimated Hitler. Hindenburg was supposed to be the check on Hitler. We saw how well that worked out. We don't even get a Hindenburg this time.
Anger seems to be building. I can't wait for you to start having your little marches again.
You're still going to be gunning down brown people in supermarkets.
He needs to take out Ryan, Cronyn and bury Cheny
clearly, they miss it
Like you say, stooping to his level will only make things worse.
Democrat party is without doubt too "centrist" if not outright republican lite... Imo for most Americans though that's not really the problem. The problem is that the other side can paint them out to be "Marxist" "commie"etc etc while doing far worse, and democrats are too stupid to properly cal them out for it. The best example of which is the voter fraud/ stop the steal accusations, while literally plotting to use fake electors to steal the presidency..
The best attacks on trump came from his former staff, generals, Arnold Schwarzenegger, for his coup attempt but they barely got any amplitude, I still can't believe the fake electors scheme got so little coverage.. half the reasons people would give for trump were plainly false (peace candidate! Better economy! Fix immigration!) all of these are objectively not true.
At the end of the day, trump only won when going against women, it may be as simple and stupid as that.
We're left to hope that like last time, most of it was just BS to get votes/money from his marks... But there will be real damage to the judiciary and political parties that will eventually lead to civil war imo...
I'm glad I got the out 21 years ago
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