See when you want?
You're perfectly able to stick to the topic rather than focus on the messenger and crazy can happen, like you and I agreing on a point
Nice one
well asking to trade a generational player after 1.1 season ain't an intelligent take you must admitSee when you want?
You're perfectly able to stick to the topic rather than focus on the messenger and crazy can happen, like you and I agreing on a point
Nice one
So you just want to omit the part where Spurs would get a ridiculous package in exchange?
Let's be real and put our pride aside (I get it, it'd make us look bad, but idgaf what ppl think)...
Wouldn't you rather have 3 or 4 potential franchise players with the draft coming surrounded by a couple elite players obtained in the trade rather than, yes a geneational player, but a player that requieres a lot of things Spurs just don't have.
Especially if Pop were to retire
I think it's worth the thought bc Wemby is not only going to frustrate the fans (who still expect him to play like a trad big) but he'll end up being tired of it really soon if he gets bullied every game bc his teammates don't know how to play with him...
The only people bullying him are a handful individuals in here.I think it's worth the thought bc Wemby is not only going to frustrate the fans (who still expect him to play like a trad big) but he'll end up being tired of it really soon if he gets bullied every game bc his teammates don't know how to play with him...
And it would be better for him to bullied early on than to crumble under pressure when it's time to actually win.
wouldnt‘t you rather have 1 or 2 franchise players paired with Wemby?
I think I wasn't clear
I'm having real doubt on Wemby bc of the experimental aspect of his developement that lowers or at best delays the chances of success and requires too many things Spurs don't have.
I'd be a lot more confident as a Spurs fan with a more "traditional" prospect, especially if we can get 3 for Wemby alone.
If Wemby is potentially a 10/10 but with high risks of failure, I'd rather have 3x 8/10 players to build with
I'd rather have the risky 10/10 since that's what wins you les. The Celtics snuck one out on depth but that will be blown up because the new CBA doesn't allow those kind of teams to exist for long. The new CBA makes having a 10/10 player an even bigger advantage than it used to be. But I also don't think Wemby is a risky 10/10. He is a very likely 10/10 who is just playing like an idiot at this moment.
In my "evaluation", 8/10 are dudes like SGA Chet or Banchero
You can 100% win a le if you have 3 of those + more with the trade and rich draft coming
Wemby presents a massive risk of career ending injury and necessitate to put in place a type of basketball that requieres adapted high IQ, high passing abilities players a la 14'
Not only Spurs don't have them, but they have below average players in those areas!!
then add the additions of the next draft = More time to dev those prospect and more delay/handicap in Wemby's development...
We'll be contender by 20131 if we're lucky
Good luck having even two of those with a competent roster around them after these recent CBA changes.
Superteams are gone. These Celtics will be the last really expensive roster, can't build like that anymore.
Nonsensical whataboutism. He's had zero injury issues so far. We have zero reason to assume that he's going to be any different from Kareem when it comes to injuries unless it's just to push an annoying agenda that has no actual basis other than boredom and trigger-baiting people.Wemby presents a massive risk of career ending injury
This era will be all about who has the best #1 option, getting a good #2 and then building around with as many elite role players on team-friendly contracts as possible
I was just giving an example
It could be 3 7/10 and 1 9/10 and a 8/10 etc
Right now we have one potential 10/10, and a bunch of 2/10 and 3/10 (Vassell 6/10)
I agree with u for the risk of injury, but I just mentioned it because it is remains a possibility/fact, no need to deny it, happens.
Aagin I'm just saying it's worth thinking about it bc I don't see things getting a lot better with this roster and even worse this "coach"
What makes you think that current iteration of PATFO would be able to get fair value back? They're just take 20131 picks and we'd grow old before we see the Spurs get over .500 again.
I'm trying to be optimistic there mate...
FYI I know it's not realistic, mostly bc of the terrible image it'd give the organisation, they wouldn't let that happen.
But in an ideal world with people thinking of the best interest of the Spurs long term and not their own short term, it'd make a lot of sense.
Sometimes timming sucks, Wemby arrived too late
Wemby arrived at a perfect time, it's just that "we like what we have" mentality is killing us.
Spurs have all of their own picks, 6 picks and 5 swaps from other teams and 20+ second rounders.
Great cap situation with no bad contracts.
Devin's deal is great value if he's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a steal on such low salary.
Castle looks like a great pick.
A competent GM would turn this team into a playoff team next season and a legit contender in 26-27 season.
Would've started by getting rid of ing Collins and Keldon this summer. Tre's expiring would also go.
Get a competent backup big, another legit wing starter and another shooter for the bench.
CP3/Castle
Devin/Champ
Jeremy/shooter
starter/Barnes
Wemby/backup
Doesn't that look way better than what we got right now? Let's say Cam Johnson as a starter.
Then if it's not good enough this season, move Jeremy to the bench and try to get a wing upgrade.
Get another legit PG and have Castle displace him as a starter eventually.
Instead we get ing Castle/Wesley/Jeremy lineups and people wonder why can't Wemby get the ball in the paint.
I didn't say the whole picture is dark, I'm aware of what u listed
I said "timming sucks" for 2 reasons mainly, Pop's age (I still hope it's nothing but it could also be the end of his career soon) and the floor of the current roster that is tragically low and some of the worst players not only "not let go" last summer but extended 2 more seasons!
That's just bad luck for Wemby, imagine if he ended up anywhere else, he'd have better conditions, short tem at least, to start his career and develop.
And I'm a Spurs fan
Boom. Exactly what I'm saying!
Cam Johnson would cost us our 20131 dream
It's not a "we like what we have" mentality. It's that, in my interpretation of statements and actions, they did not want to take on multi-year salary or burn assets when they didn't fully know what works for Wembanyama yet.
And I don't think they have, and are still not quite there.
Acquiring Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes on a free was absolute genius, imm.
Picking Stephon Castle in the draft was spot on.
Otherwise, they did not want to commit to players or directions that might not work in the longer term. They wanted to keep the powder dry.
I don't think it was a bad strategy. Using multiple picks and a wad of salary for a guy who doesn't work -- then what do you do?
There's a lot of fan impatience, but they're 4-5. They have room to grow current players while adding players. Many of these guys are very young. We're starting to see movement forward for Sochan and Wesley and Branham. Even if they don't fit long-term, they don't cost anything at the moment.
I get the desire to have used that #8 pick but I'm still not convinced of any player available.
Next steps are hard. But it's getting more clear what pieces they need to look for. Taking big swings just to do something isn't really going to help much. Patience.
Why would it have to be trades involving multiple picks?
All I keep asking for is a solid backup big and one or two more Champagnie-like shooters.
Instead they decided to keep devepoling all these non-shooters that have no chance of being legit playoff contributors, but are a detriment to Wemby and Castle.
Lots of useful veterans available for SRPs, of which we have many. What would DFS cost? Just get me some functional professionals capable of running a real offense.
OR... maybe it all comes down to Wemby is truly freelancing out there and he is the monkey wrench in the gears... who knows? The "I'm going to continue to shoot because that's what I'm going to develop" answer doesn't really inspire a lot of confidence.
Their decision seemed to be to keep everything, all assets, until they knew what they needed. Really, if Devin was playing then Champ would be the shooter off the bench alongside Branham, who honestly looks like he might be getting there. And then I think they had CP in mind with the cap space all along but things went a little wonky in a super-beneficial way (they got him for cheaper, used the cap for Barnes+SACswap). Acquiring steps-up from Collins/Bassey or another shooter would cost, when they're not quite there yet. And we've seen that just getting a shooter doesn't really work - like with Osman or McBuckets. The needs are more specific.
If we were truly keeping our powder dry so that we could pay CP3 $30MM, as you theorize, then I think that raises plenty of other questions.
the goal of 2025 is to develop Wemby and Castle. Castle will slowly play more at the point as the year goes by and Vassel is back. The goal is clearly not to win this year, I maintain that the Spurs are a lottery team and hopefully will have some luck in the upcoming draft together with Atlanta's pick, the dream scenario being a top3 pick. I see some trades in the summer of 2025 for an established star (not superstar). A lot of Spurs players will be on their last year so interesting package with draft picks.
That being said, we need to develop Wemby
No, not really.
Explain me the logic to unnecessarily handicap those players you aim to develop by surrounding them by players who themselves need even more developement?
You not only makes it even more challenging for them but you can also create problems that wouldn't have existed had you done a better casting or as it seems to be the case not be satisfied to the point of extending players who've shown absurd limitations and were source of said handicaps last season (Brahman Keldon Wesley I'd add Champ is he wasn't so cheap but man the guy is dumb smh)
We'll see how it develops, but you can smell the skinkiness since pre season, I hope Pop comes back asap because without him it can get very ugly for Wemby with Mitch "he'll figure out" Johnson
If you think Pop will design some offense around Wemby and come up with sets to free him up you're fantasizing
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