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Failed Wemby? On his 2nd year? Didn't we see similar skepticism surrounding Sochan's early PG role and FT struggles?
Trust the process.
Wemby should be at least at 34 minutes a game, and that's still being the lowest played among the top players in their sop re season
Failed Wemby? On his 2nd year? Didn't we see similar skepticism surrounding Sochan's early PG role and FT struggles?
Trust the process.
Watching Holgren play an effective and simple role, and probably wcf inbound at that. I understand the patience for Spurs is filled with jealousy. But let's see what the team looks like at full strength. Spurs will start adding playoff pieces next season regardless.
Yeah I think you just don't fundamentally understand modern basketball. It's like you've spent years only watching two nba teams, the spurs, and the team the spurs play that night.
Statements like "it's not castle's fault" is just downright idiotic. Castle is shooting 12% from 3. 12. You cannot effectively run any real type of offense when a guy who has the ball somewhere between "some" and "alot for certain stints" because any screen set for him just results in the guy guarding him doing literally anything but guarding Castle on the perimeter. Virtually every time Victor sets a screen for Castle all that happens is that Castle's man just doubles Victor and Castle is just standing their by himself then either shoots a missed 3, has to move it back out to reset the entire offense, or try and force his way to the rim through at least 2 defenders. None of those 3 things are ideal. Now Castle is just a rookie and we knew coming into the league his shooting would probably be bad but holy this guy is legit one of the 20 worst shooters in the entire nba from outside the paint. He can't be THAT BAD. Because when you are that bad that means the other guys is mostly not guarding you. When he is not guarding you he is doing other stuff like jumping into passing lanes, or shading players a certain direction into help defense, or just straight up doubling another player to try and deny him the ball, or crashing the offensive glass because he doesn't have any real defensive responsibility. All of these are real basketball problems that the spurs have to deal with, that primarily exist because they play a guy around 20 min a game who shoots 12% from 3.
he can't. He's tired after 5 minutes
haha I like when you throwing that in almost every occasion
well he is right ... when he can play 30 minutes without huffing and puffing all the time you can play him 35 minutes
We didn't fail him by not having an all-star level player alongside him, we failed him by not coaching him. Imagine prime Pop putting up with a 20% shooter taking half his shots (ill adviced shots at that) from the 3pts line.
He could also realize it himself, but either Wemby isn't as smart as he sold us, or the coaching stuff is forcing him to do it for some strange reason.
Wemby taking half his shots from the 3pt line after seemingly having figured out how he needs to play halfway through his rookie season is a very unexpected and dissapointing development. Thankfully it's the easiest fix in the World. Or at least I hope so. I want to believe he won't keep playing this deaf tone style for much longer, I just hope he snaps out of it before having the entire NBA World start clowning on him.
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The rumour last year was Wemby is extremely patient. That quote confirms that.
They are still treating this as a development year. Wemby is fully onboard with the experimentation it seems. Spot up situations is the weakest part of his game last season and they giving him more reps this year. At the cost of accolades, criticism and fans sanity.
Tyus jones is the main reason Phoenix is killing it. His ball handling the floor leadership is allowing booker, KD and Beal to be freed up and finish plays, which is what they are good at.I agree I think without Victor this is arguably the worst roster in the nba.
I give Sochan almost no credit for his numbers he is being spoon fed those stats by Victor.
Not only is Tre small, unathletic, and can't / won't shoot, but the number one thing he does do, have a good assist to turnover ratio, is something no one really cares about anymore, because his brother year and year out has one of the best assist to turnover ratio's in the league, and he is currently playing on a 1 year 3 million dollar deal because nobody cares about guards who don't do anything but make safe plays because they are scared of turning the ball over.
I have been disappointed with Barnes. He has not been nearly aggressive enough looking for his own shot. However, the Kings were so desperate to get rid of him they gave us a future first round pick, so when a team is that desperate to move on from a player, the player might not be that good anymore.
Remember, the Kings are a team trying to make the playoffs. After they lost to the pelicans in the play in they stepped back and looked at their team and said "You know how we are going to get better as a team and make the playoffs, by getting Harrison Barnes out of here for somebody better".
Barns done Cedi Osmaned us
Phoenix has turned from a 1st round fodder to a strong contender because of Tyus.
Just watch a few of their games this season compare to last year and the difference is obvious.
It's ing hilarious that yall have the audacity to call people "sniffers" with the amount of excuses yall make for Victor. Dude isn't playing well. Period. That's his own damn fault and he needs to get better. I'm willing to give him some grace on it though because he had a long summer.
But image how good he could be with an above average catch and shoot 3 pointer. That opens up the pick and pop and the ability to attack closeouts. Easy points he could get and not be gassed trying to wrestle position in the post. I think that is worth people clowning on him in his second season.
And they’re paying him like $3
He’s not gassed from posting up,he’s gassed from simply running up and down the floor.
Fighting for position and running is more tiring than just running though.
We have to wait and see if things change when Devin returns.
CP3/Devin/Champ/Barnes/Wemby has amazing spacing. Four perimeter players that are above average shooters.
If Wemby still doesn't get enough inside touches even with that lineup, then we have a problem.
Chinook presented a nuanced position with many layers and reasons behind his thought process. Other people’s point is to just say, “yOu DoNt KnOw ModErN BaSkEtBalL” and make long paragraphs about one counting stat. I think we know who’s winning this debate. I don’t have a horse in this race because I’m exercising patience. There are more signs that the failures so far is due to Wemby than it is the roster (especially with 2-3 major key players out) or coaching staff, but I’m not going to make conclusions yet until after 10 more games. That is the sane position, I think.
It isn’t about Wemby getting touches inside because of the players he’s surrounded with, it’s about Wemby wanting touches inside. He doesn’t want it right now because he wants to be a dynamic unicorn, something the NBA has never seen.
He had plenty of perimeter touches last season, it's just that easy points in the paint have dried up.
Yes, he's in the paint way less often, but let's not pretend that he gets the ball enough. He doesn't get it in the post and then just goes to the corner. Idk by who's design.
As I wrote yesterday, the only thing I really dislike is him handling the ball against wings and guards. Way too easy to strip him and those possessions are all over the place. He shouldn't be isoing anyone other than slow bigs, he's not beating wings on the perimeter.
And again, Wemby definitely isn't the type to go against coach's wishes, him jacking up so many 3pts is by design. We'll see the situation at the end of this homestand, but if we're not at .500 or one game below, expect another I'd say 27-32 wins season, enough for 3rd worst record in the West.
Of course it’s by design, but this is no one-way street without the player’s feedback. Wemby and other players have made it known that the coaching staff allows the players to “be themselves”. They designed the offense this way because Wemby told them he’d like to develop or have perimeter scoring as a major component of his game. That’s it. They’re not going to go against the franchise player’s wishes. Wemby’s going to either learn the hard way that this style isn’t for him or we’re going to see an evolution of his game. Whatever happens from either is beneficial for his long term outlook.
Agree with this.
I kind of understand the coaching staff's reluctance to boxing in Wemby. There has never really been a player with his physical attributes, so it's not like there is a blueprint to follow. Just saying "Wemby is a center and will play like one", for example, would be silly, so some experimentation is not only fine but probably inevitable.
On the other hand, I don't quite get what Wemby randomly chucking lots of threes is supposed to accomplish either for him or the team. It's not like players will magically become good shooters just by jacking up as many shots as possible. Sure, maybe it's just a phase and Wemby and the coaches will decide to tone it down or go away from it after like 20 games. But right now, it's kind of the opposite of what Pop said in the quote someone posted in this thread where he talks about Wemby playing closer to the basket or more on the perimeter "depending upon the situation". Mostly it seems just like freestyling. There is often so little cohesive basketball and offensive structure to be seen from the Spurs right now, and I just don't see how this helps anybody's development either individually or on a team level.
Then again, the "longer term goals" mentioned in this other quote might be something along the lines of "Slowly trying to establish a team competing for a Playoff spot once the 20131 pick comes around" ...
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