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    Castle is who they wanted Primo wanted to be (even taking a big gamble for that promise), a big defensive PG who can not facilitate and score. It’s been in their plan to get such a player, and Castle fits that player perfectly, especially once he improved his outside shot. Likewise, they always want a Boris Diaw big man who can push the ball and facilitate. Samanic was going to be it if he had a heart, that’s why the Sochan PG experiment to turn him into a Diaw/Kawhi type. Bassey has the potential of a passing Center, i.e. Center, but let’s see.

    So I believe the Spurs have those types of players they are looking for to fit that “beautiful game”. Sheppard as a as a knockdown shooter like Green, Neal, Mills fit the role. If there was a way to trade up to get both, I think they would’ve done so but not too high of an expense.
    Mmmh, what? Castle can do both, tbh.

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    Mmmh, what? Castle can do both, tbh.
    It was a typo, I corrected myself

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    Sochan ain‘t Diaw, but I agree he’s what they wanted Samanic to be and Castle is the type they saw in Primo (I have no idea what they saw in that idiot)

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    Didn’t appreciate that Castle is listed as taller than Dev and Keldon. Think he could def become the starting 3 with a better shot, allowing the spurs to go after their PG in the coming draft (Harper, French kid).

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    If Spurs had the 3rd pick, you guys think they would still select Castle? Or maybe roll the dice with Curry-lite/Nash-lite Sheppard?
    I don't think this is a good comparison
    Sheppard hasn't shown that he can create a shot for himself or his teammates

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    If the shot comes around, Castle becoming a Jrue / Jimmy hybrid is realistic. He's fouling a bit (and, marginal calls aren't going his way), little steps in recognition by him and refs (Oh, he didn't foul, he's just strong as and they bounced off his chest) are a step up that could add a lot of value.

    Biggest value is probably if he can be a PG who can switch 1-3 against most squads, and he'll probably be big enough for that and some 4's (eg, could guard Harrison Barnes and in general a bunch of wing 3/4 types, probably don't want him on Julius Randle / Evan Mobley at the 4).

    I was higher on Reed (Reed and Sarr 1 & 2, Castle 3) pre draft than him, don't think you can realistically judge completely based on 10 games (Castle better) / summer league (Reed was better). I still would probably take Reed, as shooting is so valuable and we don't really have any, but that might be wrong - Castle has definitely looked better in NBA minutes (particularly, the PG skills, which weren't used much in College given the team had two good old guards and he played off ball, have removed a question mark).

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    If the shot comes around, Castle becoming a Jrue / Jimmy hybrid is realistic. He's fouling a bit (and, marginal calls aren't going his way), little steps in recognition by him and refs (Oh, he didn't foul, he's just strong as and they bounced off his chest) are a step up that could add a lot of value.

    Biggest value is probably if he can be a PG who can switch 1-3 against most squads, and he'll probably be big enough for that and some 4's (eg, could guard Harrison Barnes and in general a bunch of wing 3/4 types, probably don't want him on Julius Randle / Evan Mobley at the 4).

    I was higher on Reed (Reed and Sarr 1 & 2, Castle 3) pre draft than him, don't think you can realistically judge completely based on 10 games (Castle better) / summer league (Reed was better). I still would probably take Reed, as shooting is so valuable and we don't really have any, but that might be wrong - Castle has definitely looked better in NBA minutes (particularly, the PG skills, which weren't used much in College given the team had two good old guards and he played off ball, have removed a question mark).
    Good post, but I disagree on Reed take.
    As important as shooting is, in these last playoffs we've seen that defense is just as important. Traffic cone shooters can't get any minutes anymore, much like non-shooters. If we're to contend, we can't have one-way player unless it's one of those offensive engines who can carry a team.
    Reed will be a good player, but people will see him as a disappointment just because he was in a weak draft class. Getting someone like Reed with late lottery pick is fine, but he probably won't be up to #3 pick standard.
    My biggest issue with him isn't even the defense, but that he's got no self-creation.

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    I repeat myself and should probably stop, but if you watched Sheppard in college, you'd see the same problems as now, which are amplified due to better athletes. He has bad handles for his position. This will improve, but they're still not good. He has little shift or bake to his game, and he's slow, so can't juke players or craft himself into better positions.

    He's easy to close down because he's small and can't take guys with his quickness or handles. (He's also hesitant even when a fraction open, so will need to launch away.) So teams don't really have to pay a ton of attention to him so far. Just keep a player nearby.

    As a passer, he's terrific as a connector and if he can get on the move makes the right play. He is not an initiator. The Rox may develop him within a pic-n-roll system but right now he can't dribble well enough and he's too slow, so would get jammed.

    On defense, his hands are terrific. He has an innate sense of where to be, so can get rebounds and is smart so can make his reads and slide. But he's so small that nearly everyone dwarfs him, has little strength, and his quickness is a big problem here, too. He can't stay with better players. This is where his great hands can help, but I fear that teams will start hunting him. I can't imagine him getting switched onto a Doncic or a LeBron.

    Honestly, I don't see a huge window forward for him. I think he can be a good role player once he gets less fearful about his shots. Obviously things change if he shoots as well as he did in college, but I think Houston will need to cover for him a lot. And he'll need to really bury himself in ball-handling drills.

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    Didn’t appreciate that Castle is listed as taller than Dev and Keldon. Think he could def become the starting 3 with a better shot, allowing the spurs to go after their PG in the coming draft (Harper, French kid).
    Why go for Traore if Castle shows so much promises?

    Let him build his game as our starting PG, that's who he wants to be anyway and he has everything we're looking for (assuming he develops his 3pt shooting of course)

    Next draft we need a wing who can shoot

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    Generic thing in process - Sometimes, players are miss evaluated as prospects in high school, and formerly low ranked guys end up really good in the NBA (Derrick White as the prime example, Reed was relatively low ranked and could have been missed). Bayesian scouting would consider both that possibility and he was just missed and he is as good as the College player awesome, and the fact that he may be a 42% shooter who played above his head for a year, and that influenced his draft slot.

    For me, Reed was #1 analytics based pick based on just the year in College/ his age, had a weak level of burst and was best as a super connector next to a primary wing/ what I thought Haliburton would be coming in (I liked Hali, but he's been much better than I expected), and didn't want to underrate someone's PG ability as they seemed best as a secondary creator. Overcorrecting on mistakes. Might be a process error for me.

    Castle was a mid - late lottery stats pick, moved up to me based on high school ranking pedigree (somewhat overcoming college stats / lack of PG time) and the fact that on tape, he knew what he was doing, was willing to play a role / out of position on a really good team, and he seemed like a monster defensively who stonewalled opponents but didn't generate steals, so he was better than the numbers indicate. There was, and is doubt on his shot, and I wasn't sure of the fit alongside Wemby on offense. I still really wanted the Spurs to pick him when on the board at 4, and thought he was ahead of Holland, Matas / Cody etc as a wing bet.

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    That shooting stroke is looking better!
    Giving me hope.
    Improving to league avg shooting could be the difference between bench player and all-star.
    It’s a very dynamic range.

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    It's hard to express how ing smart he is as a player. I don't think we're even fully seeing it yet. Yeah, he's making mistakes but he doesn't really repeat them. But what he does is instantly read changes on the court. Like, he got a steal on a kickout when he saw that was the only pass possible - he was coming across even before Sabonis (?) knew he was going to pass it.

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    I don't think Bigger Jrue is his ceiling; it's a good case for him, but I think his best case is a second star on a le contender.

    Isn't that what Jrue was the year the Bucks won their le?

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    The kid is doing great but man, some of those misses are uuugly. Not two shots look the same. I can't quite put my finger into what it is. Is it mechanical, is it mental? Give me just league average % and we have a beast in our hands.

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    Likewise, they always want a Boris Diaw big man who can push the ball and facilitate. Samanic was going to be it if he had a heart, that’s why the Sochan PG experiment to turn him into a Diaw/Kawhi type. Bassey has the potential of a passing Center, i.e. Center, but let’s see.
    Is that what they're developing Cissoko into? But Sidy's offensive game is rough

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    Is that what they're developing Cissoko into? But Sidy's offensive game is rough
    Sidy is 6’6, not a big man but a defensive G/SF like DWhite if only he could shoot.

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    Damn that hezzy at 1:40

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    Damn that hezzy at 1:40
    That's the Castle "Hesi Freeze"

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    The kid is doing great but man, some of those misses are uuugly. Not two shots look the same. I can't quite put my finger into what it is. Is it mechanical, is it mental? Give me just league average % and we have a beast in our hands.
    It’s just year one, 11 games; give him two years and we’ll revisit. Dude is light years ahead of expectations

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    Next year is absolutely critical for the first Wemby crown.....

    ..they must absolutely nail those first round picks

    No room for error.....

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    He's got a solid base on D, can be mobile, has decent strength, and, on offense, he can go in, has good athleticism, a good release on his shot, and has a great motor on both sides. He's a great pick. Glad we chose the right guy.

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    He's got a solid base on D, can be mobile, has decent strength, and, on offense, he can go in, has good athleticism, a good release on his shot, and has a great motor on both sides. He's a great pick. Glad we chose the right guy.
    I... do not believe you.
    PATFO and the org are supposed to be CLUELESS.

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    The kid is doing great but man, some of those misses are uuugly. Not two shots look the same. I can't quite put my finger into what it is. Is it mechanical, is it mental? Give me just league average % and we have a beast in our hands.
    I guess I haven't watched his shooting form closely enough and/or how the shots come out, but I remember back in the day (don't remember if it was just before they hired Chip or just after, but they said Tony's shots were snowflakes (no two shots were alike). From just watching during a game without rewinding to watch closer, it doesn't appear to me that Steph's shots are like that, but in the short amount of time to start the season so far, his misses do seem to be all over the place. It's not always back rim, or short /front of rim or anything like that.

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