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Jazz are 2-8. Lauri cant be traded until the summer but I fully expect his name to come up in trade rumors this off-season. Jazz should deal him. Time to start over. Spurs should trade for Lauri this summer. His contract is reasonable and he'll be 31 in the final year of the deal.
The thing is that Jazz don't need any more FRPs.
If they get a top3 pick and one of those kids is as good as advertised, they're good to go and they'll be right back into competing. Their ownership never wanted to tank, anyway. But not even they're that dumb to pass up on Flagg lottery.
They more or less own MIN and CLE picks up until 2029 and Lakers 2027 pick.
Markkanen will be available for the right price, but that price will probably be too steep for everyone unless he asks out.
Considering their picks stash, I'd say there's no chance we get Markkanen without giving up one of Castle/Devin/Jeremy and at that point it's not worth it.
In a bad contracts for bad contracts trade, how would people here feel about Collins, Keldon for DeAndre Ayton? Works in terms of salaries as Ayton has 2 years left at 35m.
Really not sure how (any, minor) draft compensation would be needed to amend this - DeAndre is much harder to trade to other teams with the second Apron rules on combining salaries, Clingan is probably only a few months away from straight better.
CP3 / Vassell / Castle / Barnes / Wemby
Blake (Tre back)/ Branham / Champagne / Mamu (Sochan back) / Ayton
Blake / Mamu ...
Keeps / expands (via moving on from Keldon's last year) 2026 cap space, Keldon would probably be their best scoring wing.
I’d rather have timelord than ayton. Ayton doesn’t play strong defense either, and he doesn’t shoot threes
He’s a ing loser. When asked what his nba goals were,he said to get to his second contract. The team that drafted him, his hometown NBA franchise, were so disgusted with him that they salary dumped him. That should tell you all you need to know. His new franchise just used a top 10 pick to draft his replacement.
I don’t want nothing to do with Ayton. Raptors appear to be struggling…only fitting for us to trade back for Poeltl. Poeltl for Collins with draft compensation. I miss Poeltl’s screens and offensive rebounding.
No thanks, no way that loser is worth $70 million.
Ayton missing a game because of an icy driveway is still hilarious tbh
I dont mind SA making a “win-now” type deal, but it has to be both 1) very favorable for spurs asset/cost wise and 2) someone that fits with the longer term future.
Spurs should not be giving up critical high value assets for aging stars who will be declining and/or seek massive deals soon.
I’m fine with aging stars as long as they have the same impact or greater as Paul and Barnes is having on the team. Bring them on tbh
I don't think Ayton is good, but I think he's more of a true C and better than Zach, and if we're trading bad contracts, we'd be getting bad contracts back. Whole bunch of better players on better contracts than Ayton, which is why he might be gettable.
I'd prefer just Collins and pieces for Lopez, but I don't think either are good enough to trade away first round picks for - we're not that good, not worth giving up good assets for OK depth when we'll need improvements in the long term.
I hate that we're paying 18mil/year for a backup C. I'd hate it even more if we were paying 35mil/year tbh
Vucci Mane should be our guy for $20M a year.I hate that we're paying 18mil/year for a backup C. I'd hate it even more if we were paying 35mil/year tbh
I'd honestly give up Chicago's FRP just to get rid of Collins.
What if, and hear me out here, we gave Charles Bassey an opportunity? I feel like Mitch has been good for Mamu and eventually we’ll see a similar opportunity for Bassey… at least I hope so.
I don’t really want to move Collins for some other overpriced backup C for us to hate… I’d rather try to use him (and Keldon) for some wing help. Again, I dont hate Keldon I just don’t think he fits the team and he will eventually be an indirect hindrance to Castle minutes once Tre and Sochan are back
i feel like bassey is only here because the spurs roster can’t practice like normal against wemby so they got a traditional one they can go against in scrimmages to mimic your typical NBA C
I don't think the FO could handle paying 18 million a year for a third string center, in the scenario that Bassey gets his minutes. So yeah, they'd have to trade Collins but I don't see that happening. Yet, I'd like to see Bassey now and then somehow more than just garbage time.
But the Collins thing is hilarious in the big picture. When he first got here people were praying he would stay healthy, now he's like an iron man, but people just don't like the way he plays. Lol.
I'm gonna channel my inner Exstatic and say:
Zach
Collins
Is
Having
A
Good
Season
Pardon me for that, but Zach's start to this season is currently his best year in a number of metrics, but STers are so lost in memes that you'd think it causes them physical pain when he plays. It seems hard for many to accept that 1/7 into the season, the team has looked very competent. They have 10-12 guys who have been solid in their minutes and decent depth options. No, they aren't a serious team yet. Yes, getting to that level would require moving on from a number of the players on the roster. But they've been good enough to accomplish their goals for this season. These next two weeks or so will determine how big of a jump they've made.
Keldon has played almost exclusively PF since Sochan went and played it a lot before the injury. I know BBRef says he's played mostly SF, but if you look at the lineups, he's playing with a forward who's taller than him but is definitely not the PF like Champ. On a healthy roster, Keldon's competing with Barnes for PF minutes and maybe Champ for SF minutes. Right now, it's hard to justify not playing Keldon given how many of the team's best lineups over the last two years he's been a part of. I would expect to see basically no Branham and Wesley minutes outside of garbage time/foul trouble, Barnes, Paul and Champagnie with fewer minutes and a fair bit more small-ball (both of the multi-PG and three-forward/centerless varieties) rather than Johnson and Castle competing for minutes.Again, I dont hate Keldon I just don’t think he fits the team and he will eventually be an indirect hindrance to Castle minutes once Tre and Sochan are back
I think the Keldon AT PF AND Collins at C combo is the issue, though there's not much that can be done about that.
With our guards having(in general, Vassell has flashes) poor off the dribble shooting / not much dynamism, and relying on team continuity, Zach's ability to shoot, and be a quality passer / decision maker is valuable to the offense. I think he's the type of big that works best in a two big alignment (E.g, playing C next to a John Collins type), rather than with a PG and 3 wings. Leads to issues that are easy to blame on him. I think Ayton / Lopez would be able to fill the offensive role given their skill sets. I trust Brook to be smart more, Ayton is a buy low candidate.
If there's not a great deal to be had, I think you roll with it for now, note the roster construction issue if you want to run a stretch / non unicorn big as your backup, potentially add a PF in the draft (Asa Newell / CMB) alongside however you improve the wings, or think of some other bench format to be effective. If Sochan / Wemby doesn't work, you've got an in house change lined up.
Without trade, I'd like to see more minutes with Sochan next to Collins, so Wemby can be a drop big with shooting around him, and Sochan can be the primary roll threat and help play in an alignment that covers Zach's weaknesses. I think that's the best split of minutes for this year, though I'm sure that the FO want the Sochan / Wemby frontcourt partnership to develop, and that will take time and some lumps, including the bench being a bit wonky.
When thinking trades, I'm basing options around:
1. Wanting to keep 2026 Cap space - With Zach and Harrisons contacts coming off the books then, and the year before Wemby's max hits the books: Probably also means not extending Sochan after this year (use his cap hold as a #9 pick, likely lower than his slarya).
2. Use 2nd rounders / fake firsts (i.e, Charlotte, I think that's best though of as about #40 in 26 and 27) for temporary upgrades / cap relief, real firsts for significant upgrades that should last more than 6 months - No point in having a rental for real assets given where we are as a fringe play in team.
3. Looking at teams that have a reason to get rid of someone - giving minutes to a younger rookie(Portland with Cllingan), coming cap crunch for a non contender(If the Wolves stay 10th-ish, are they keeping both Julius Randle and Naz Reid after this season), they're a tanking team / doing worse than expected and picks might be useful (Milwaukee, righting the ship).
I'd hope the FO is thinking similarly about broad strategy.
Collins is having a good season. Also the second unit has been injured.
Collins has been fine this year but I wouldn't go beyond that. At the end it's a center who isn't a good defender and rebounder and who is scoring 5.6ppg in 14.1mpg right now.
Collins being overpaid has already hurt Spurs a little.
Because of his new contract, Spurs didn't have enough cap space to do the Barnes trade and they had to salary dump Devonte' Graham first. This salary dump cost Spurs a second round pick which was Pelican's 2025 pick. At the time of the trade, it was projected to be a mid second round pick but it can be better with all the injuries Pelicans have. For reference, Spurs got that Pels' pick from the Cameron Payne trade with Phoenix.
Collins is okish as a stopgap backup C. I don't like his profile to be the long term backup C. Spurs need someone who has more paint defensive presence than him, even if that player can't shoot 3's.
But, isn’t that kind of the reason we acquired that ton of second rounders? To grease transactions? It sure as wasn’t to select players with each one.
The Jazz are actually starting to play much better. Largely on the strength of the play of John Collins. He's averaging 22, 9, and 3 over his last five. He has become much more of a playmaker this year doubling his career assist number. All of a sudden his contract isn't terrible. In fact, I think there is a good chance that he opts out of the last year of the contract next year at $26 million. He's been shooting 37% from 3 last year and this year. They have him playing center at 6'9" with a 7 footer playing perimeter on offense. Hmmm. If you think Sochan is better coming off the bench then he would be a pretty okay fit with Wemby. Not sure what the deal is, but it would likely have to include Keldon.
What you have to ask yourself is who has the cap room and interest to pay him more? My guess would be that it’s a short to non-existent list.
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