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    hope hawks never wins again.

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    hope hawks never wins again.
    That's harsh; as soon as 27-28 season rolls around, they can win as many games as they want - so long as they're not against us...

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    Still can’t believe BOS choked to ATL with no Trae - so annoying

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    Atlanta has a bunch of talent between Trae, BB/ CC / DD / JJ / OO and the guys without alliterative initials. They're not a bottom feeder.

    Probably best to think of them as similar to a fringe playing team, and conveying #10 or so. There'll be up and downs along the way, they could sneak into the playoffs, they could fall off, but they're in the wide group above Washington / Toronto / Utah who'll make up 4 - 18.

    If you said coming out of the trade, that for DJM, we got a # 10 pick in 25, something similar in 27, a swap in 26 where we're similar levels as teams (don't think either us or the Hawks will ascend completely / tank to the dregs of the league), that's probably a top 80 percentile outcome, given they were coming off a ECF appearance.

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    Potential to drop the next 2 games vs kings and warriors

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    Potential to drop the next 2 games vs kings and warriors
    Charlotte is currently 9th at 5-7. Atlanta is 16th at 6-8. It’s a quick jump or drop around a pack of WC teams with a win or a loss.

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    As we approach the deadline, the standings will be more clear and at that point the Spurs can make some decisions on whether to put this year’s picks up for trade.

    For example, if CHA is sitting in the 6th seed at the deadline, I’d definitely try to move that pick. First, it will likely be teetering on the edge of conveying not conveying only by a matter of games, so why take the risk of it going from a #16-18 pick to 2 SRPs. Cash it in at the deadline for something useful. Second, even if it does convey it’s not a pick the Spurs are likely to use. We’re well past the time of taking 3-4 FRPs.

    Likewise, if ATL or CHI is looking like a playoff team, you can move those picks to someone who needs it. Unfortunately, the best pick of the bunch this years appears like it will probably be our own (though there is still some hope for the ATL pick). I anticipate us only using 1 pick this year, maybe two if they are both top 10. Sell the rest while you can.
    The idea of trading any of the picks before the deadline is interesting. The rest of the league is so risk averse, I wonder what kind of incremental value they could actually get?

    The other thing about dumping picks -- since it seems crazy that the Spurs take on more than 2 rookies next year -- is that there should be several sellers depending how the standings shake out. Brooklyn has 4 FRP. Utah has 3. The Spurs will have 2-4. OKC has 2. Atlanta has 2. Orlando has 2. That's 15-17 picks concentrated between 6 teams. And I haven't even looked at the second round, but there should be a lot more movement this draft than we've seen in a few years.

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    LeMelo Ball is turning into a super star and second year Brandon Miller is a fine second star in a dog water eastern conference. Hornets pick will likely convey if LeMelo finally stays healthy.

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    The idea of trading any of the picks before the deadline is interesting. The rest of the league is so risk averse, I wonder what kind of incremental value they could actually get?

    The other thing about dumping picks -- since it seems crazy that the Spurs take on more than 2 rookies next year -- is that there should be several sellers depending how the standings shake out. Brooklyn has 4 FRP. Utah has 3. The Spurs will have 2-4. OKC has 2. Atlanta has 2. Orlando has 2. That's 15-17 picks concentrated between 6 teams. And I haven't even looked at the second round, but there should be a lot more movement this draft than we've seen in a few years.
    Great point, and to me that would indicate that there is going to be good value for the first movers, and then probably for the late movers (closer to draft day) as FOMO sets in for teams without a pick but glaring holes in their roster that perhaps they weren’t able to fill in FA.

    Brooklyn and Utah I could see using all of their picks (which would be fascinating for Utah considering they have 5 FRPs plus another player who was drafted #32 on their roster right now).

    OKC has shown they aren’t afraid to add rookies to the end of the their roster. They have two SRPs playing contributing roles right now (Ajay Mitc has played in every game and is averaging 16mpg and Dillon Jones has played in all but one game but a far less significant role) and their FRP is out injured for the year.

    ATL could probably use the rookies, but Orlando is the team that might be hard for them to fit two in.

    Will be curious to see how much of a priority selling off picks will be for these teams. We are the only team that has signaled (through our recent draft history) that we’re probably not going to use all of them.

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    LeMelo Ball is turning into a super star and second year Brandon Miller is a fine second star in a dog water eastern conference. Hornets pick will likely convey if LeMelo finally stays healthy.
    Miller looks really good. I wish CHA had taken Clingan or Edey instead of Salaun, that would have really changed the dynamic of them chasing the playoffs in the east.

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    Miller looks really good. I wish CHA had taken Clingan or Edey instead of Salaun, that would have really changed the dynamic of them chasing the playoffs in the east.
    They already have Mark Williams although he has yet to play these season because of a foot injury. Once he comes back the Hornets will be cooking.

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    Great point, and to me that would indicate that there is going to be good value for the first movers, and then probably for the late movers (closer to draft day) as FOMO sets in for teams without a pick but glaring holes in their roster that perhaps they weren’t able to fill in FA.

    Brooklyn and Utah I could see using all of their picks (which would be fascinating for Utah considering they have 5 FRPs plus another player who was drafted #32 on their roster right now).

    OKC has shown they aren’t afraid to add rookies to the end of the their roster. They have two SRPs playing contributing roles right now (Ajay Mitc has played in every game and is averaging 16mpg and Dillon Jones has played in all but one game but a far less significant role) and their FRP is out injured for the year.

    ATL could probably use the rookies, but Orlando is the team that might be hard for them to fit two in.

    Will be curious to see how much of a priority selling off picks will be for these teams. We are the only team that has signaled (through our recent draft history) that we’re probably not going to use all of them.
    not sure OKC wants more rookies though. 13 of the guys on their roster are under contract next season. Caruso will be a UFA but i imagine they'd like to keep him. and they'd probably try to make at least one FA signing using their MLE or whatnot. with that said, it probably depends on the quality of the picks they have.

    topic will also basically be a new rookie for them next year
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    Miller looks really good. I wish CHA had taken Clingan or Edey instead of Salaun, that would have really changed the dynamic of them chasing the playoffs in the east.
    They may wish they had, too,if Williams turns out to be chronically injured like his first two seasons hint at.

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    not sure OKC wants more rookies though. 13 of the guys on their roster are under contract next season. Caruso will be a UFA but i imagine they'd like to keep him. and they'd probably try to make at least one FA signing using their MLE or whatnot. with that said, it probably depends on the quality of the picks they have.

    topic will also basically be a new rookie for them next year
    Will be interesting to see if OKC does what I hope the Spurs do - which is use this abundance of future draft capital to be constantly flushing the team of subpar talent. They could move out someone like Ousmane Dieng, who is still young enough to not be a lost cause and they can likely dump without much draft capital.

    Spurs should be doing the same with guys like Branham and Wesley - if there are better prospects available at their picks, they should make those picks and look to offload the end of bench guys. I hate that we are passing on guys like Ajay Mitc , who was sitting there for us when we punted on our SRP, because we need the roster room for Bran, Blake, Sidi, etc.

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    The idea of trading any of the picks before the deadline is interesting. The rest of the league is so risk averse, I wonder what kind of incremental value they could actually get?

    The other thing about dumping picks -- since it seems crazy that the Spurs take on more than 2 rookies next year -- is that there should be several sellers depending how the standings shake out. Brooklyn has 4 FRP. Utah has 3. The Spurs will have 2-4. OKC has 2. Atlanta has 2. Orlando has 2. That's 15-17 picks concentrated between 6 teams. And I haven't even looked at the second round, but there should be a lot more movement this draft than we've seen in a few years.
    Brooklyn and Utah can absorb any amount of rookies into their roster. Spurs kinda also, since there are so many useless guys on the roster. Orlando and Atlanta will be making their selections.

    OKC will have to start throwing 30+ mil extensions after next season, so they could be looking to offload their picks to later years.

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    ATL has a tough next 7 games overall: Kings, Golden State, Bulls, Mav, CLE, CLE then CHA.

    They can likely beat Kings, Bulls and CHA, but any losses to those 3 teams likely opens them up to a 2-5 stretch here assuming CLE (2x), GS and Dallas take care of business.

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    ATL has a tough next 7 games overall: Kings, Golden State, Bulls, Mav, CLE, CLE then CHA.

    They can likely beat Kings, Bulls and CHA, but any losses to those 3 teams likely opens them up to a 2-5 stretch here assuming CLE (2x), GS and Dallas take care of business.
    We need you thinking a little more optimistically, Dude. 0-7 baby!

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    We need you thinking a little more optimistically, Dude. 0-7 baby!
    ATL has Dyson James so it’s hard to count them out. He beat Boston on his own

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    ATL has Dyson James so it’s hard to count them out. He beat Boston on his own
    Boston overlooked them, big time. If that game gets played 100 times, Boston wins 95 of them. Teams also don’t really have a book on him. He’s not played a ton over the years. If he starts getting noticed, they’ll figure out how to make him shoot, and that’s it.

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    No Sabonis, No DeRozan and no Monk for Kings - the WORST luck man

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    Ugh who had Philly starting the season 2-10 on their BINGO card? Seems destined this 2025 ATL first will be a mid ass pick.

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    Ugh who had Philly starting the season 2-10 on their BINGO card? Seems destined this 2025 ATL first will be a mid ass pick.
    is crazy....Got bucks 76ers,pacers and knicks looking like trash.

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    Dyson Daniels game winning steal on Fox to win the game for ATL. FML

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    god dammit

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    109 108 hawks win by 1

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