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Great, are we going to do this thing again where other team's All NBA players aren't good enough for the Spurs?
If you get a chance to pick up Devin Booker at a fair price, you take it. Don't turn simple things into complicated things.
I'm personally dimsissing players over 30 who aren't legit all-stars if we're talking giving up more than one FRP for them.
I'm also dimissing 33+ year olds if we're talking free agency and giving them 4 year deals unless it's an all-time great like KD or something.
PG contract backfired for the Sixers before it even started and he'll be on the payroll until he's 38.
Great, are we going to do this thing again where other team's All NBA players aren't good enough for the Spurs?
If you get a chance to pick up Devin Booker at a fair price, you take it. Don't turn simple things into complicated things.
I don’t have a problem with players over 27. What I have a problem with is trying to build around a 28 YO clearly non alpha player. He could have little to no value by the time you get your alpha, and that process could have been faster by cashing that player out for more picks.
Of course you do that, because we have our alpha player. Phoenix should absolutely sell him though, and not attempt to build around a clear number two.Great, are we going to do this thing again where other team's All NBA players aren't good enough for the Spurs?
If you get a chance to pick up Devin Booker at a fair price, you take it. Don't turn simple things into complicated things.
eh, booker is clearly good enough to be a #1. he was the suns best player when they were a finals team. it was a very good cast around him, yes, but its not like Tatum isn't a #1 even though he has a great cast as well. they're just not elite #1's like Doncic/Giannis et al
Devin Booker: 4-time all star, 2 time All NBA (1x first team), 28.0ppg career scorer in the playoffs (47 games played) on .603 TS%, led a team without any other 20ppg scorers to the NBA finals... not an alpha, should be traded immediately. LOL this site sometimes.
Why are they so bad with Durant out if Booker is an alpha? They weren’t even a playoff team with Booker filling the box score until CP showed up.
Oh, and Chris Paul led that team to the Finals. Devin just followed because that’s what he is: a follower.
Last edited by exstatic; 11-22-2024 at 11:11 PM.
Maybe it was Jalen Smith who led that team.
you're talking to exstatic. He would rather trade for Jalen Smith than Devin Booker
Since we have our alpha, I would actually like Booker on this team. That’s not the discussion. I’m saying that if Phoenix blows it up, they should trade a 28 YO Booker rather than try to build around him.
Nah gtfo Karen, it's too late, I extended a few of those already but you chose to go ham bc I'm not a fan of Tre Jones or think Sochan and Wemby aren't compatible offensively. You literally went under each of my posts for a week with your usual passive aggressiveness and condescending tone when I tried to explain to you that my pov was A LOT MORE nuanced (that leads you and ohers to think I'm playing both way which is another ed up reflex a lot of u have btw) but as usual nowadays, it seems ppl have to choose a camp, either fan or biased and uneducated hater...smh
Nice one on the olive branch followed by my supposed mental state tho, no contradiction there...^^
You, like a few here are acting as if ST was your home and whoever has different pov is the worst person ever, it matches your at udes on the political topic that probably started your (and others) aggressive posts when all I did was reporting basic facts and at no point debated on my political pov.
You can't expect to be respected when you (and your mates) go ALL THE TIME ad hominem vs a diff opinion, it's a sickness and I don't have the time nor the will to have any more patience with you tbh. I come here to chill, not to have to fight.
I, contrary to you guys it seems, love exchanging with diff pov, those are actually the only ones that are worth a discussion, as I've never learned anything debating with ppl who share the same pov.
For that to happen tho, there needs basic rules like don't go at the messenger and stick to the facts not what you think they could mean depending on how I say them or where I live, my nationality etc.
How am I supposed to take u seriously when it's always your M.O?
Evidently this is an impossible task for some of you who prefer a good collective "intellectual" masturbation rather than questioning your "beliefs" and forgetting how often you've been wrong in the past.
I have zero issue admitting I'm wrong, I've done it on Vassell and I'll do it on Tre or Sochan if things change, that's how life works and basketball/sports aren't an ego thing to me, I'm not a 15yo fanboy or hater as some are (too) quick to imagine if I defended Wemby last season for ex.
Just look when I subscribed to ST and tell me how I could be a "fanboy" as you kept attacking me with non stop, dismissing any points I made. I'm actually one of the most critic towards Vic for weeks now as I'm quite disappointed by his evolution and childish at ude not compatible with all he nice words he uses to describe himself in front of a microphone at any opportunity.
Am I gonna be in the "hater" box now? Soon?
Now the topic...
Again, my answer is the same, correlations aren't causations, and it's not the fact that 2 PGs are being used that is a strategy, that's just a correlation, the causation is the simple facts to have guards/backcourt that can handle the ball, pass and have a good court vision, as basketball is more and more positionless.
Spurs used to have Manu who isn't a PG but has those abilities I mentioned. Ideally, we need to find the same type of SG (without necessarily the genius).
It's just a matter of available personnel and Spurs have so many one trick pony with huge limitations, they have to use what they can. Despite being undersized or a liability on offence Tre, for ex is A LOT more reliable with his ball handling than Brahman, Wesley or Champ.
That's why Vassell's progression in his playmaking and ball handling is so important for his future with the Spurs as he's shown difficulties to create space and handle the ball (end of games for ex). (his fragility/availability might end up being the main issue tho)
Why did some of you suddenly went all defensive with my ironical post, I genuinely have no idea but it reminded me some of the stereotypes of Karens or über sensitive leftists (doesn't mean I'm a conservative of a white supremacist tho ^^).
It's probably hard for u to put yourself in my shoes, but imagine how ironical it is to have to the biggest bullies on ST acting as victims. It genuinely made me laugh.
Get over youselves ffs
Ain't no one reading that but I'm glad you got it off your chest or whatever.
It wasn't meant for u dummy, your reading comprehension difficulties are well known.
I was actually going to take the time to respond to this, but after thinking about it, it’s just pointless. The root issue is your self awareness is just off the charts bad. Every single thing you accuse others of you are doing it 10 fold. The “passive aggressive” stance I had was just imitating you, it was painfully obvious and I thought you would lose your over the sarcasm but instead you just lost your over the tone, which was basically how you talk to everyone for months.
Nah gtfo Karen, it's too late, I extended a few of those already but you chose to go ham bc I'm not a fan of Tre Jones or think Sochan and Wemby aren't compatible offensively. You literally went under each of my posts for a week with your usual passive aggressiveness and condescending tone when I tried to explain to you that my pov was A LOT MORE nuanced (that leads you and ohers to think I'm playing both way which is another ed up reflex a lot of u have btw) but as usual nowadays, it seems ppl have to choose a camp, either fan or biased and uneducated hater...smh
Nice one on the olive branch followed by my supposed mental state tho, no contradiction there...^^
You, like a few here are acting as if ST was your home and whoever has different pov is the worst person ever, it matches your at udes on the political topic that probably started your (and others) aggressive posts when all I did was reporting basic facts and at no point debated on my political pov.
You can't expect to be respected when you (and your mates) go ALL THE TIME ad hominem vs a diff opinion, it's a sickness and I don't have the time nor the will to have any more patience with you tbh. I come here to chill, not to have to fight.
I, contrary to you guys it seems, love exchanging with diff pov, those are actually the only ones that are worth a discussion, as I've never learned anything debating with ppl who share the same pov.
For that to happen tho, there needs basic rules like don't go at the messenger and stick to the facts not what you think they could mean depending on how I say them or where I live, my nationality etc.
How am I supposed to take u seriously when it's always your M.O?
Evidently this is an impossible task for some of you who prefer a good collective "intellectual" masturbation rather than questioning your "beliefs" and forgetting how often you've been wrong in the past.
I have zero issue admitting I'm wrong, I've done it on Vassell and I'll do it on Tre or Sochan if things change, that's how life works and basketball/sports aren't an ego thing to me, I'm not a 15yo fanboy or hater as some are (too) quick to imagine if I defended Wemby last season for ex.
Just look when I subscribed to ST and tell me how I could be a "fanboy" as you kept attacking me with non stop, dismissing any points I made. I'm actually one of the most critic towards Vic for weeks now as I'm quite disappointed by his evolution and childish at ude not compatible with all he nice words he uses to describe himself in front of a microphone at any opportunity.
Am I gonna be in the "hater" box now? Soon?
Now the topic...
Again, my answer is the same, correlations aren't causations, and it's not the fact that 2 PGs are being used that is a strategy, that's just a correlation, the causation is the simple facts to have guards/backcourt that can handle the ball, pass and have a good court vision, as basketball is more and more positionless.
Spurs used to have Manu who isn't a PG but has those abilities I mentioned. Ideally, we need to find the same type of SG (without necessarily the genius).
It's just a matter of available personnel and Spurs have so many one trick pony with huge limitations, they have to use what they can. Despite being undersized or a liability on offence Tre, for ex is A LOT more reliable with his ball handling than Brahman, Wesley or Champ.
That's why Vassell's progression in his playmaking and ball handling is so important for his future with the Spurs as he's shown difficulties to create space and handle the ball (end of games for ex). (his fragility/availability might end up being the main issue tho)
Why did some of you suddenly went all defensive with my ironical post, I genuinely have no idea but it reminded me some of the stereotypes of Karens or über sensitive leftists (doesn't mean I'm a conservative of a white supremacist tho ^^).
It's probably hard for u to put yourself in my shoes, but imagine how ironical it is to have to the biggest bullies on ST acting as victims. It genuinely made me laugh.
The inability to change your stance is a signature. The Vassell example was just hilarious as very single time Vassell did anything that don’t allow wemby to stat pad more you just got full bonkers. You changed your stance as long as Twitter verse changes it stance, it is so obvious that your entire motto is following social media and has no insight of your own, then just come in as some expert with original thought, as if you’re the only person who knows the secret of social media on ST.
Tre and sochan are not superstars, they are not even good players at this point, (sochan may turn the corner, need many more games to tell), but they are incredible role players who do their jobs. Tre clearly improved the team when he’s playing, smart limited player who does his job and does it well. Perfect backup for a decent team. Sochan is a fantastic glue guy who defends well and complements wemby on defence. His cutting opens up large swaths of real estate for wemby and the rest of the team to operate but you’d never understand it because Twitter casuals don’t. Are they superstar perfect compliments for wemby? No. They definitely can be upgraded, but to who? And how? Id like to get a prime curry and Dirk nowitzki next to wemby too, but that’s not happening. You just spend every single post complaining about them not being perfect to wemby and make wemby look better when it was wemby who puts up highly questionable shots to start the season. He did it again yesterday vs the warriors at the beginning of the game, but once he got his together the team turned it around.
I’m grateful to have wemby, but treating like his don’t stink is hilarious. You blamed the entire French team the entire freaking summer, and yet they won silver. Then it’s all because wemby is great and his teammates and the committee let him down because the team didn’t win gold.
Saying your takes are nuanced is the funniest part. It’s not. It’s constant ting on any non wemby player or the coaches. In the jazz game thread when the spurs were down you immediately jumped to clown on people who supported Tre and mitch as if you’re bringing receipts, then it’s all crickets when Tre came up big(ish) and Mitch made good coaching decisions for the comeback. You don’t own up to . All you do is coming up with excuses for wemby all day every day. You went on for months criticizing wemby? Bull , every single “criticism” always come with triple the amount of excuses and how the useless scrub teammates are actually the main cause for concern.
You throw out terrible one liners, got called out and then throw hissy fits and change goal posts and talk about nuances. GTFO, you had a bad take, got called out, then pretended you meant something else, then got called out more, throw a bigger tantrum on how people couldn’t read into the 17th level of depth in your nuanced comment that was only 24 characters long. You suck in your basketball knowledge, tried to troll and get all sensitive when people clown you for your bad takes, as if you forgot that you were trolling to begin with.
Accusing others of comprehension issues when it’s your composition. Check.
Accuse others of being emotional when you’ve been spending weeks complaining about people being mean to you. Check.
Accusing others of not taking other povs. Check. Really, when did you ever take another pov? When the games are so bad that even you can’t defend it, you either drop the conversation as if you’ve never typed it up, or you just say “I was joking and didn’t care, you guys go all ape , I got you” bull response.
Grow the up. The entire board is calling you out constantly, maybe it’s you and not everyone else.
Edit: how ing stupid can you be for not getting the olive branch sarcasm. Like really?
Last edited by ambchang; 11-24-2024 at 08:39 AM.
WTF were all those words that followed about then??
Thx Karen, that's all I needed, you're just a desperate case
2 point guards on the floor simultaneously is 2 more than we had much of the time last season. Based on the current results, I'm all for it.
If you like multiple PGs on the floor, that Jones/CP3/Castle/Barnes/Wemby lineup at the end of the game is right up your alley.
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On point here good Sir.....
I have been imagining this set up too, something like Wemby (point center) being surrounded by four point forward archetypes...... incredible idea.....
Hypothetically,
Wemby
Castle
Austin Reeves equivalent
Egor Demin
Sochan......
Egor Demin would be ideal for this train of thought the Spurs seem to follow of having an entire lineup of tall guy with PG skills.
Too bad the Spurs seem to be playing their way out of Denmin's range.
Atlanta isn’t, though.
The East is just too ty. They are gonna be in the play in with a 32-50 record.Atlanta isn’t, though.
I’m seriously doubting that. They just can’t defend anyone, regularly giving up high 120s and 130s. The worst thing they could do to us is trade a Trae away. He’s the sea anchor, dragging them down. They played better when he was out.
The East is ty, but they’re the tiest of the ty, or nearly so. Even teams like Detroit that I had penciled in as tankers are ahead of them in the standings.
I am actually souring more and more on Vassell, I liked his ability to score in isolation, but he doesn't seem to fit where the team is headed. He can be that change of pace guy for sure, but I had bigger hopes for him. I think he has the skills to be that creator on the team, not just for himself but for his teammates as well, and I definitely thinks he can play D a bit harder.
Still think he's a good pick, just not sure if he is the type of player the Spurs is trying to build on.
On that train of thought, not sure what Branham is on the team for. I can see the outline with Wesley with the defence and the passing, but Branham with his no d-playing trigger finger is just not what the team is headed towards. Perhaps the team wanted someone who can score in a hurry, but there are way better options on the market for that.
Branham needs to be a shooting specialist, which Champ already beat him to it (plus rebounding and defense), like Patty, Beli, Neal. Spurs always had knockdown shooters during the championship years.
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