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    Very few were on Castle, Mr. Body and Baseline Bum were two of the ones who were early on Castle.

    Most here wanted the Kentucky guards over Castle. Most said they didn't want Castle because he couldn't shoot.
    I was vocal early on about wanting Topic / Castle. Then, when Topic had his injury, I said I still wanted them both, just picked in the opposite order (Castle first). I'm happy with the outcome.

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    Sheppard's career arc hasn't been determined yet. He's getting 12 minutes a game on a deep team with playoff aspirations. I think at this point in the season though, it is a good bet that Castle will have the better career. A couple of factors play into this -

    1. Castle's shown the confidence and willingness to launch 3s at 1.5x the rate that he did in college - I'm not seeing the hesitation as a pro that I did when he was at UConn. A big part of 3 point projection relies on a player's confidence taking 3s in college, this significantly affects his shooting projection. If you bump his college 3point rate up, you're getting shooting comps like Anthony Edwards or Tyrese Maxey as opposed to MKG.

    2. Conversely, Reed's hesitation and tendency to defer is really biting him as a rookie - there is definitely something to the assertion that he's overthinking his efficiency and that's negatively affecting his play. It's leading to a lot of passing when he should be shooting, and I think it's affecting his confidence. The difference in performance between Sheppard and McCain right now really illustrates the importance of mentality and confidence as it pertains to success in the league. I had McCain and Sheppard closer together than virtually anyone on this board, but it looks like I still got it somewhat wrong.

    3. This goes back to summer league, but Castle's really demonstrated a lot of lead guard tendencies that were depressed while he was at UConn. I expected him to become a Smart/Suggs level initiator, but he's shown chops way above and beyond that. I do wonder if maybe we should be looking at high school tape more for a lot of these freshmen who have very limited college tape or who play a completely different role in college compared to high school.

    Ultimately, I can't be too sad about my call of Sheppard over Castle at the time. I assumed Castle was the higher ceiling prospect and had him in his own tier at #2, but I'm happy to see that he's way outperformed my expectations for him thus far. We'll see what Sheppard looks like in a few years, but I'm more than happy to be wrong about this and have the Spurs end up with a stud rather than have it the other way around.


    As an aside, I think the 2023 draft was actually very underrated as it pertains to the front office's evaluation. Wemby was an obvious draft pick, but there were a couple of factors where the front office either did their evaluations correctly or avoided potential landmines that would have either set the team back immensely or at least somewhat.

    1. A lot of people on this board were calling for a trade of a future draft asset to move back into the lottery to grab either Anthony Black or Cason Wallace to pair with Wemby. While both guys have turned out to be promising players, it probably would have cost the Spurs the 2024 pick and most would probably prefer Castle to either of those two guys.

    2. I think I even saw one or two posters calling for the Spurs to trade future draft assets to pair Scoot with Wemby. As of today, Scoot Henderson is rated as a bottom 5 player by EPM. He might still become a good player in time, but I think it's unlikely he becomes a star in the future. Trading for him probably would have cost the Spurs Castle and at least 1-2 future unprotected draft picks as well, which would have been a disaster of epic proportions.

    3. Before the lottery, I think Timvp had an article saying that the front office actually preferred Amen Thompson over both Scoot and Brandon Miller if they did not win the Wemby sweepstakes. It ended up being a moot point since we got Wemby, but Amen is probably Houston's most untradeable player right now and is already an elite role player. I don't think that was a popular opinion at the time, but in retrospect it was probably the correct read on prospect quality.

    All this to say, even though the front office could have drafted better players in prior years, I think they probably deserve more credit from a talent evaluation standpoint than they probably get.

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    Bump it, and I’ll show you exactly my posts that fit the context I was describing. Let’s do this, lol.

    Like I said, you’ll find early opinions from preliminary scouting and then you might find posts of me trying to antagonize rascal because I love to spite that dude for how racist he is.

    At least a month before the draft my mind was changed and I likened Castle to Jimmy Butler on multiple accounts.
    Man it's cool, I'm not gonna dig through a bunch of posts to find it.

    , I myself had doubts about Castle's ability to develop into a big time player, that UCONN team was so loaded to the gills with talent that it was easy to see him as being part of that system with 4 other elite guys rather than an individual monster.

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    I'd be happy if this turns out to be a draft full of good players just to make the experts look stupid.

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    Great thing about castles game is he plays hard and isn't slightly overdramatic when a ref calls the fouls. Absolutely biggest thing is that he's gaining the respect of the refs for sure. THAT.. will accelerate his place in the NBA.

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    Great thing about castles game is he plays hard and isn't slightly overdramatic when a ref calls the fouls. Absolutely biggest thing is that he's gaining the respect of the refs for sure. THAT.. will accelerate his place in the NBA.
    It's crazy that they've started respecting him already on D. He was a lil handsy with Curry for most of the game and was allowed to get away with it, much to my surprise.

    Now we just need to wait till he starts getting the same respect on the offensive end.

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    I hadn't gotten around to mentioning it, but one of my favourite things I saw last game was that he picked up his first foul with just over two minutes left in the game. I thought that was awesome, and yes, you guys may be right as it seems he's getting respect already.

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    I saw someone call him Esteban Castillo on twitter.

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    There's no way, even when Socham and Vassell get healthy, he's not starting right?

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    There's no way, even when Socham and Vassell get healthy, he's not starting right?
    He’s getting better every night and under the keen eyes of CP3. He’ll eventually be the 2nd option of this team. So nope, it will be a crime to push him back to the bench

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    There's no way, even when Socham and Vassell get healthy, he's not starting right?
    Yeah, no way. It would take some serious dementia Pop coming back to see something like that.

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    Yeah, no way. It would take some serious dementia Pop coming back to see something like that.
    lets hope the hag retires.

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    lets hope the hag retires.
    The hag? Dude grow up!! That man deserves better than that… shame on you.

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    lets hope the hag retires.
    Seriously things like this do not belong in Spurs forum. You can’t call yourself SpursGenius if not for Coach Pop helping put San Antonio in basketball map.

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    Seriously things like this do not belong in Spurs forum. You can’t call yourself SpursGenius if not for Coach Pop helping put San Antonio in basketball map.
    Fire pop

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    Honestly, I bring both Vassell and Sochan off the bench when the team is fully healthy tbh. At least until this SL starts showing cracks.

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    Very few were on Castle, Mr. Body and Baseline Bum were two of the ones who were early on Castle.

    Most here wanted the Kentucky guards over Castle. Most said they didn't want Castle because he couldn't shoot.
    I had Sheppard and Castle about a coin flip but figured in following the board Castle was who we were slotted to get. Then when I studied up on him some more I was real high on him after viewing him as somewhat of a buzz kill or booby prize early on at 4. Dilly I thought was a nice pick at 8, he has been playing well last few games for MN actually with high shooting percentages.

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    Remember the Wemby comment earlier this season guys

    He said, paraphrase.....that Castle has the ability to evolve very quickly

    Something like that hmmmm.....

    We have a gem here

    Now who shall we add next year to complement

    What an age to be a Spurs scout.....

    If I was in America....I would apply for ANY job in the Spurs

    Even janitor or something

    Absorb the organizational culture.....

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    In the X Men Wolverine has those powers

    Hahahahahah

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    Honestly, I bring both Vassell and Sochan off the bench when the team is fully healthy tbh. At least until this SL starts showing cracks.
    I agree that it will be hard to rock the boat on current SL. It’s a good problem to have though, missing two solid players that at worst bolster your bench even further. Ultimately we need a bare minimum of 8 playoff capable players to make a decent push - and are about there if you count KJ - ideally we need 9 or 10. Which we are also close to pulling off with trades of draft capital, just continuing to draft with the picks we have, and any savvy free agent pickups similar to the Barnes/Paul acquisitions.

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    He's much better and much more polished than Kawhi was in his rookie year, so the sky is limit for this guy.

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    Agree. And he seems to have Kawhi's and Timmy's demeanor. Although Kawhi is taller at 6'7". I hope Castle has the same drive as Kawhi in training. And I hope Castle has no Uncle Dennis. Im good with Unc HB and CP3

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