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Wait, so after years of complaints about all the losses, now Spurs fans are complaining that we're trying too hard to win?
WTF
Have to start looking better in head to head match ups against other candidates to make a case for rookie of the year. Getting doubled up in points by Knecht will be hard to overcome.
Wait, so after years of complaints about all the losses, now Spurs fans are complaining that we're trying too hard to win?
WTF
Yup Knecht looked pretty good last night. Castle’s argument would be his two way impact as he defends the POA or best perimeter threat every game. While Knecht led the Lakers score wise at 20 pts, Castle led the Spurs at assists with 7 on top of his defense.
Knecht and Castle aren’t even in the same orbit. How much ball handling is Knecht doing? How much defending is Knecht doing? Before the Spurs game he dropped 7 and 9 with no other responsibilities. Some of these takes are hilarious
So
Much
This
ST: our players and draft picks aren’t good enough!
Also ST: we’re not losing enough!
It's almost as though ST is made up of lots of people with different opinions, and is not just one singular, monolithic bloc! Crazy!
It’s often the same posters saying both.
https://airalamo.com/castle-nba-rook...s-roy-favorite
Castle is now third on ROY ladder behind only McCain and Knecht. The team record doesn’t always affect the ROY outcome, since McCain is playing with the Sixers having a losing record 3-14, while Castle is having the most winning impact 7-5 since he started. While Knecht is just a pure shooter benefiting from LeBron and AD. Hands-down the coaches would be voting for Castle as having the most impact on both sides of the court, defending the best perimeter player every night, especially if the Spurs continue their winning trend.
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I don't think it's that people here don't think Castle would deserve it over Knecht, it's that Knecht will probably be a media/voter darling as a pure scorer white boy for a LeGM Lakers team. Hope I'm wrong though and Castle eventually makes it undeniable.Knecht and Castle aren’t even in the same orbit. How much ball handling is Knecht doing? How much defending is Knecht doing? Before the Spurs game he dropped 7 and 9 with no other responsibilities. Some of these takes are hilarious
it is very obvious, stephon is the favourite to win it.
ST favorite, but the voters really only voted for Victor when he ripped the award out of Chet’s hands head to head. The media dislike the Spurs, and will take any opportunity to express that.
The media also played Chet vs Wemby for ratings
Again for all-around impact on the team winning record, ball handling, defending the best perimeter player, it’s hand down Castle
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I like Castle a lot, and in any reputable three year redraft, he’ll go #1. ROTY is a popularity contest driven off counting stats, though.
What stats do they use or is it just based on pure popularity? I’m looking at PER and Castle is only 14th among rookies? Shouldn’t it be higher with his overall impact including assists, defense, etc?
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The current situation says it is between Castle(bpa), Wells (safe starter with steady stats), Mccain (best attacker but likely to see his role diminish), Konnect (pure shooter decent minutes projected) and Risacher (steady role and defensive stats could carry him while he improves the shooting)
After Week 11, Chet had finished first in the Rookie ladder 5 times, Wemby 4 times. From Week 12 through the rest of the reason, Wemby finished ahead in the rookie ladder every single week.
On January 23, Wemby was a -125 favorite to win ROTY (the Spurs played the Thunder the next day, with the Thunder blowing the Spurs out), on February 20, Wemby was a -800 favorite and by March 18 Wemby was already a shoe in at -5000.
It was the 2/29/24 game where Wemby outplayed Chet, blocked his shot in clutch time, but by then Wemby was already a huge betting favorite to win ROTY.
This has been another Edition of Debunking exstatic's Make Believe Story Hour.
That last game vs Knecth is a very big hit to Stephon's chances. ROY is narrative based as much as it is stats based. Of course, long season still ahead and a lot of things can change but the biggest games are the h2h matchups vs ROY candidates obviously.
The scoring leader wins ROY. I think Brogdon is the only exception.
Disagree, Chet was the favorite in the calendar year of 2023 because he was playing better until the new year. No conspiracy against San Antonio. Chet fell off in the new year and Victor kicked it into a new gear to show he was obviously the better player by early March and was already trending very positively in the ROY race by February.
Damn I thought Victor didn't become the favorite until February, thanks for clearing that up. And damn I was at that OKC game, ing wild. Prob the best regular season game I have been to since David's first game (first time I had ever seen the Spurs beat the Lakers lol).
No game in November can be a big hit or help to the ROY award given 6 months later.
That game solidified that Knecth is most probably November's Rookie of the month. In a close race, where no one really stands out in stats and overall WTF factor ala Wemby last year, these ROTMs matter. Unless you expect Castle to take a 2025 leap that Wemby took last season.
It doesn't help that Knecth has the LA media all over him.
McCain moving to the bench as Maxey / McCain can't defend effectively given the lack of support from their frontcourt limits McCain as a betting option. Knecht might finish ahead, as if he stays incredibly efficient and the Lakers are a playoff team. I think between the LA media push, and scoring numbers probably ending up better / more efficient, he's ahead of Stephon Castle in a ROTY race now.
Not a good game from Castle. He's a great rookie and looking very mature out there for the most part, but when you see Vassell playing defense like he did today and his elite shotmaking, it's clear he deserves those starter minutes over Castle.
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