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Last night? I think we were experiencing that game differently then.
That is a low bar for an 8th pick.
Last night? I think we were experiencing that game differently then.
Crazily, the Wolves were +26 in the 24 minutes Dilly was on the floor. But what sense do we make of this in a world where we were +34 with Blake Wesley in his 22 minutes on the floor when he scored 11 points?
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401703406
Unrelated to any of that, I don't blame anyone who feels disappointed we didn't use the #8 pick. But only because it is fun to root for a draft pick. I imagine the net expected value of trading versus keeping the pick is near zero. And I won't mind at all having that extra FRP in 2031.
Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th...raft-picks-nba
Interestingly, the #8 pick has historically been a dead spot in the lotto - but there are some real home runs of late. Daniels and Franz back to back is damn solid. I still really like Walker, and Sexton is a contributor. Toppin isn't bad, and KCP has had a great career.
Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th...raft-picks-nba
Lots of bums on this list though
i dno, a lot of those names were solid rotation players, even if they werent good starters
- jordan hill had some productive years later in his career
- aminu was a role player for a while
- brandon knight was a solid player most famous for getting obliterated by deandre jordan (was at that game)
- ross was agood player for a while. KCP has been a very good starter.
- stauskas sucked
- stanley johnson was, in fact, 6'7
- chriss/nitilkina were bad
- sexton is good
- hayes is a playable rotation piece
- toppin has become a good rotation player
- wagner is a very good starter playing at an all-star level right now
- daniels was already a rotation player now looking even better in an enhanced role
- walker has been disappointing so far, but early
- dillingham hasnt gotten minutes due to the KAT trade, but i still think he'll be fine
all in all, thats not a bad list of players. but Wagner is the only all-star caliber player on that list
No, it isn't. NBA drafting is not remotely a science. Based on the last ~25 years, you have a 35% chance of stating a star and your worst case scenario is end of bench player. No busts from that pick.
https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm
Small sample size, although Franz is a stud.Interestingly, the #8 pick has historically been a dead spot in the lotto - but there are some real home runs of late. Daniels and Franz back to back is damn solid. I still really like Walker, and Sexton is a contributor. Toppin isn't bad, and KCP has had a great career.
Lots of bums on this list though
Dillingham has had very limited playing time for a #8 pick. I don't know that he was actually injured or what. He has had a few good games lately. On a limited sample size, he shoots 50% overall and 50% from three. On a similar sample size, Castle was probably below 35% from 2 and under 25% from 3. (has improved lately)
Dillingham looks like instant offense as was expected. Playmaker potential appears to be there, 7 assists last game. Even got 5 boards. Indications are he is a highly dynamic player as was thought to be his potential. Time will tell of course.
The knock was mainly his defense, though of course his tiny size, weighing like 160 was also cited. I am sure he can probably beef up to 180 at least eventually. A case could be made that his quickness, along with prowess of Wemby, Castle, Sochan, means he only has to play as good of defense as Chris Paul and that would have been adequate.
I'm still of the opinion that Dilly or Knecht were the guys to take at 8, the guys that were most likely to be available at that spot and actually pan out. McCain is largely 20/20 hindsight at present, most everyone was a lot higher on Devin Carter.
As a nod to my good friend Exstatic, I am adding this edit: It would have been hard or impossible to bring in Paul and/or Barnes with the money we had to commit to Dilly. I saw the $7 mills per referenced in scanning the thread also.
If the Spurs wanted an undersized PG who can sometimes shoot and not play defense, they would've kept Graham.
I remember like it was just yesterday when you presented an argument with a sample size of 1 game. Oh yeah, because it was literally yesterday.
I think it was more DiVencenzo was taking all his minutes until Conley got hurt.
And I followed it up with the fact that MANY posters here use it, which you just proved.
Right back atcha, Scott. You scolded me for it, seems just like…yesterday.
That was someone else who called you out yesterday, I was just an observer.And I followed it up with the fact that MANY posters here use it, which you just proved.
Right back atcha, Scott. You scolded me for it, seems just like…yesterday.
And noting a player performing well into his third season is a little stronger of a sample size than one game.
Those are results, how many of those are drafted to be a starter based on how their roster is constructed. How many of those has the GM tried to trade down or out if their given similar value.
Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th...raft-picks-nba
Probably a minority on this, but I still think it was a good trade. Would you trade Dillingham for a future #1 protected pick and an unprotected swap? Would you do it for McCain, Knecht and C. Wililams (yes, I wanted that as the #8 pick), I would say a majority of people would say yes.
its a bad trade cause we are in the process of rebuilding and need talent now.If the scouts couldint see any talent or players
with potential...They need to be fired...Cause clearly we missed out on some decent players.
And Graham is currently playing for...
The Spurs could really use a guy who is instant offense even if everyone else has to help him on defense. In the land of no-way guards, the one-way guard is king.
Over the time period from the link I posted earlier, 35 percent of number 8 picks are stars, 35 percent are deep bench players, the other 30 percent is in between, and zero have busted out of the league. I'll take a 65 percent chance of a rotation player or better, especially on this team. The second round picks wasted this year are far better trade assets in relation to the potential caliber of player drafted than trading away 8.
Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th...raft-picks-nba
I guess that's where we differ, it's that I really don't see a role for the Dillinghams, McCains and Carringtons on this team. Sure, the logical question is "Why did we keep Branham then?". I am not a fan of Branham either.
These players may very well flourish in other systems, I just don't see them doing so on the Spurs.
We're of the same mind pretty much. The Spurs seem to want bigger, mobile players who can switch on defense and move the ball around. Those may actually harder to find than small guards who can score and if you can figure out the offense, look out. The desire appears to balance great defense around Wembanyama and they could throttle teams.
Problem with small guards:
- If they fail to score, whether not panning out at all or in stretches, what do they do?
- If they're at defense, then the pressure on Wembanyama goes up considerably. Easy way to put too much wear and tear on him.
- Small guards who can only defend only one position aren't good to have.
Players like Dillingham and McCain are always available, more or less. You can find them in many drafts. Often times they don't pan out at all. Or, if they do well, then defenses figure them out and their longevity isn't great. Some maintain, the Bookers and so on, but there's just as many like Anfernee Simons who doesn't impact winning and starts plateauing.
As for Branham, he was drafted pre-Wembanyama. He's on the team now, so see if you can figure things out. They might not draft him now.
Yes. That's where we differ. I see a need for players who can score on a team that routinely loses because nobody can make a basket. I also see the need for someone who can hit an open three at a remotely decent rate to replace the five guys we have had here for years who've proven that they can't.
agreed, which is why I hope Minx cracks the rotation.
The only way Minix sniffs an NBA floor is if everyone else has been kidnapped by a Mexican drug cartel.
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