The PG experiment last season skewed his defensive advance stats numbers. He is at 94 percentile defender this season per EPM ranked 23rd about the same as when you only consider the PF minutes last season. The players with >= defensive EPM of 94 + >= 23 usage are all projected all stars. There is a path to a two-way monster in there somewhere if the coaching staff and Sochan figures it out.
Wow that would be awesome. Sochan brings another level of toughness that is quite infectious
Imo lineup needs to be
CP3
Castle
Barnes
Sochan
Wemby
have Jones, Vassell, KJ, Julian, and I guess ZC be the backups right now. I still believe Vassell has potential All star potential but he’s gotta stay healthy for 20+ games before inserting him back in the SL
Vassell needs to learn how to actually play basketball before anything else. This mindset that he could be an all star needs to be the farthest thing he focuses on. Dude needs to crash rebounds more, be in correct position on defense, stop gambling so much on defense and spacing out. He needs to set better screens on offense, find the open man better, and learn how to impact a game while only getting 12 shots a game. I’d actually say Vassell has the toughest assignment out of any of the youth bc it’s a complete rebuild of his game to fit the teams needs rather than his.
Also this year I would like Champ to start over Sochan (if Castle is starting too) just for spacing. Sochan doesn’t take our make enough 3s for the spacing to be what I’d like it to be. Dude is making less than half a 3 a game while Champ is at 2.5 made threes a game. There’s a big difference there. Sochan running the point forward of the bench would be nice too.
We can hope Sochan keeps getting better without copping with exaggerated facts, can't we?
The "PG experiment" lasted less than Wemby's "observation"'s, barely one month.
We all miss his defensive impact, but he needs to get better with Wemby on offense for him to be a long term starter. His offence has gotten better... when Vic is on the bench for now.
He definitely needs to work on a lot of things, but saying he can't play basketball is ridiculous.
He often looked like a chucker because there was literally noone else to take shots on those awful rosters.
Not including this and his rookie year, he averages exactly 4 rebounds in 30mpg over 177 games.Dude needs to crash rebounds more
Perfectly fine for a 6'5 guard.
Barnes is averaging 4.7 and Champagnie is at 5.1 this season in 29mpg each.
Both are noticably bigger (not just taller) than him.
If you're going to talk about rebounding, I'd say that the entire team except Jeremy has this issue where they think Wemby will just get every rebound and they leak out way too often, resulting in offensive rebounds and wide open shots.
Are you talking about Devin or Dejounte? He could be more engaged and aggressive, but he never gambled that much.be in correct position on defense, stop gambling so much on defense and spacing out.
Now you're just nitpicking for the sake of it.He needs to set better screens on offense, find the open man better, and learn how to impact a game while only getting 12 shots a game.
Last season he was easily our second best playmaker with great assist/turnover ratio.
He'll never be a combo forward, average 7 assist per game or whatever, but his passing and most importantly chemistry with Wemby is very good.
I'd say he has the easiest assignment because he's just a traditional shooting guard. With the addition of CP3 and Castle, he won't need to do much playmaking.I’d actually say Vassell has the toughest assignment out of any of the youth bc it’s a complete rebuild of his game to fit the teams needs rather than his.
He'll need to hit his shots, go back to being an off-ball player which suits him better and get his defensive focus back.
Will he be an all-star? I don't think so.
But if he can be a consistent, efficent 20ppg scorer with at least neutral defense, it would be great for the team.
All that stuff about Jeremy’s dad is just wrong, lol. Quick factcheck would have revealed that.
I didn’t say he needs to average more rebounds, but rather he needs to crash for the boards more. Something you also admit. I don’t really care about rebounding numbers for guards but I do care about effort. Yes the whole team needs to work on not just relying on Wemby to rebound, but he is a part of that as well.
Devin is consistently out of position on defense. It’s annoying. It’s why you can’t play him and KJ together as starters. They both are just ball watchers. They don’t keep track of their man on defense and just give up open 3 after open 3. It’s been a whole career of that. You would think after 5 years Devin would learn how to play defense. But he hasn’t so guess what, he needs to LEARN how to play basketball. there are so many things this dude needs to learnt to be a trustworthy and good basketball player that it scares me you think he knows how to play basketball. This isn’t the park. Winning actually matters. Winning plays actually matter. Attention to detail actually matters. Knowledge of both your team and the other team actually matter. All of these things Devin (and all the youth) need to learn. Ask yourself, would you rather have Devin or 2013 Danny? The answer is Danny and why? Bc he learned how to play basketball. Devin is the better player. But Danny is who you’d rather have.
So many people are like you who think he just needs to be a 20ppg player and all this other nonsense. Dude doesn’t need to average 20 a game for us and will be a detriment to us if he is one. His dribbling isn’t good enough for it, he can’t drive past his defenders at a high enough clip in pick n roll, he really doesn’t get much separation which is part of why he takes so many tough shots.
Ideally, (for me and you can disagree) Devin isn’t a 20ppg player. Bc those are a dime a dozen and don’t contribute to winning. Manu never averaged 20ppg and is one of the greatest winners of all time bc he knew how to play basketball. And no I’m not saying Devin should be like Manu, but rather that this arbitrary 20ppg scorer is not what players should focus on.
It’s also not nitpicking. He should be getting 10-12 shots a game on a winning team. So he needs to maximize those 12 shots. Last year he shot 16 shot attempts per game and it wasn’t just bc he was the only one who could shoot. He was a chucker. There are different ways to go about maximizing his shots. This year he is doing well at averaging 6 threes a game. But I’d like for that to be at 8 a game. Other might say that he is fine with his shot distribution on 3s and 2s.
Devin doesn’t need to be a shot creator. I don’t care about his counting stats and I don’t want him averaging 7 assists a game. if Devin averaged 15 points a game, played actual defense, crashed the boards consistently, and moved the ball around instead of taking these dumb contested fade away 2 pointers I would love that. Counting stats don’t equate a winner. KG put up amazing counting stats. Dude got bounced in the first round 8 straight years. Duncan put up worse stats and didn’t lose in the first round til year 14. And it wasn’t bc KG had worse teams. It’s bc Duncan knew how to play the game and KG didn’t.
Now Duncan had vets teach him how to play basketball. Something KG didn’t have. We have 2 key vets in Barnes and CP3 that our players are going to learn from. I really want more vets with championship experience instead of just one in Barnes. This whole team needs to learn. And I hope Devin does learn from them.
If the entire team has issues with crashing the boards, then you can't pin it just on Devin.
He's nowhere near Keldon's level of defensive incompetence.Devin is consistently out of position on defense. It’s annoying. It’s why you can’t play him and KJ together as starters. They both are just ball watchers. They don’t keep track of their man on defense and just give up open 3 after open 3. It’s been a whole career of that. You would think after 5 years Devin would learn how to play defense. But he hasn’t so guess what, he needs to LEARN how to play basketball. there are so many things this dude needs to learnt to be a trustworthy and good basketball player that it scares me you think he knows how to play basketball. This isn’t the park. Winning actually matters. Winning plays actually matter. Attention to detail actually matters. Knowledge of both your team and the other team actually matter. All of these things Devin (and all the youth) need to learn. Ask yourself, would you rather have Devin or 2013 Danny? The answer is Danny and why? Bc he learned how to play basketball. Devin is the better player. But Danny is who you’d rather have.
Again, this is the first year he'll have a competent team around him and we need to wait and see how it plays out.
Jeremy made no improvement in his second year because the team was dysfunctional.
I'd argue that we need someone other than Wemby who can reliably score because right now it's either Wemby or CP3 when things get tough.So many people are like you who think he just needs to be a 20ppg player and all this other nonsense. Dude doesn’t need to average 20 a game for us and will be a detriment to us if he is one. His dribbling isn’t good enough for it, he can’t drive past his defenders at a high enough clip in pick n roll, he really doesn’t get much separation which is part of why he takes so many tough shots.
He doesn't need to dribble, he needs to focus on moving off the ball and getting into good positions.
It's about efficency. If he can average efficent 20ppg while playing off the ball and not isoing, then he's a valuable asset.Ideally, (for me and you can disagree) Devin isn’t a 20ppg player. Bc those are a dime a dozen and don’t contribute to winning. Manu never averaged 20ppg and is one of the greatest winners of all time bc he knew how to play basketball. And no I’m not saying Devin should be like Manu, but rather that this arbitrary 20ppg scorer is not what players should focus on.
Our defense looks way better this year, but offense is the issue. When 3pts aren't falling, there's noone reliable enough to score the ball.
I'd argue that last year he was too passive in a lot of games while Jeremy and Keldon chucked their way to Ls.It’s also not nitpicking. He should be getting 10-12 shots a game on a winning team. So he needs to maximize those 12 shots. Last year he shot 16 shot attempts per game and it wasn’t just bc he was the only one who could shoot. He was a chucker. There are different ways to go about maximizing his shots. This year he is doing well at averaging 6 threes a game. But I’d like for that to be at 8 a game. Other might say that he is fine with his shot distribution on 3s and 2s.
19ppg on league average 58% TS is good for someone on a bad team who struggles with getting to the line.
That was kind of my entire point.Devin doesn’t need to be a shot creator. I don’t care about his counting stats and I don’t want him averaging 7 assists a game. if Devin averaged 15 points a game, played actual defense, crashed the boards consistently, and moved the ball around instead of taking these dumb contested fade away 2 pointers I would love that.
I think everyone on the roster understands Wemby will be the best player in the league in no time and that their best chance of actually winning something will be if they adapt to him and try to stay on the roster.
Anyone who doesn't fall in line will get traded. Devin already got paid and it would be dumb of him to go against the team's wishes so early in the contract.
Not only can he not pronounce sochan’s last name, he pronounced it 4 different ways, often times in back to back sentences.
Then there is diaws last name.
Then pops role in selecting Parker.
Just poorly researched stuff.
Vassell played 5 games with a team that runs completely different defensive schemes this season „b-b-but he‘s out of position“ No it takes a couple of games to adjust
Too bad that injury on sochan will alter his picture perfect pretty jump shot!
I got a headache from reading this bull . Last year he was one of the better pick & roll players in the league. He played a total of 5 games and you act like he‘s played half a season. The last 2 years nobody played defense by design, it’s called tanking. Everybody with a pair of eyes can see that this year our players are in the gaps and properly rotating. It‘ll take a couple games for him to learn the schemes.
Devin needs to get open jump shots, now with CP3 and Castle on the team he should actually get those. He‘s the best shooter on the team so yeah he should get 15+ shots and not 10. He should do the iso scoring when he plays with the bench while Wemby is sitting, unless you‘d rather see Tre Jones pass up a 3 or Keldon Johnson drive into a crowd.
I'd say the Spurs are ahead of expectations in terms of wins. At least general expectations. I wouldn't keep an eye off staying compe ive, but working to integrate Jeremy and Devin back into the squad should be a priority, especially since Vassell hasn't worked much with the vets.
The Diaw thing and the random use of British terms (like “match” for game and “manager” for coach) make me realize this is likely an AI video.
Devin actually showed he improved a lot on defense last year, becoming an average defender, which is huge. He needs to get back in form and the move to the bench doesn't help with automatisms, but he should be just fine.
I’m much more worried about his offensive style of play right now than defensive rotations
let's address the elephant in the room, without him our D has gone down the toilet, and that is despite adding stephon who is supposed to be a plus defender.
Sochan is the best D against certain matchups such as SGA and LeBron.
Edit: and Doncic. His extra length bothers those larger ball handlers more than Castle can.
Castle was fine against SGA, it's just that we didn't have anyone to guard Lebron.
We've been struggling with star wings ever since nephew did his thing.
castle is only good against pgs, against bigger guards he gets bullied in the paint and can't contest them on the perimeter.
Do you think that if you keep repeating that nonsense, which you've been doing for like a month now, people will start believing it?
Castle is fine against anyone 6'7 or under.
Today's league is way too offense oriented and even the best defenders get torched sometimes, it's just how it works.
You can't expect to completely shut down anyone in a game that's designed to have 200+ points per game.
Castle doesn't get bullied by anyone his size, he just has a horrible whistle and then he starts heistating to get physical again because of foul trouble if refs start calling those minimal contact fouls.
A couple of weeks ago I listened to a podcast with Derrick and when he was asked about defense, he said the most important thing is mentality.
He said that the best advice he got was from Demar who made him realize that star players will score on you no matter what and that you shouldn't get discouraged by it.
(I know, Demar isn't the best guy to give advice on defense, but still.)
it seems pretty obvious to me
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