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If this was Jeff Ayres exstatic would be all over it
Tearing your roster down is different from renting your cap, or why didn’t you include Barnes in your screed? It’s not about when it happens, pre or post Wemby. The tearing down was offloading DeRozan and Dejounte in consecutive summers. None of the players acquired in those deals were anything but ending contracts. After that, you set up the churn. Rent, roll off, rent again.
If this was Jeff Ayres exstatic would be all over it
He ruined himself by changing his name. He was actually an NBA player as Jeff Pendergraph.
Seriously, I wasn’t so much pro Jeff as anti Jeff hatred. The amount of absolute hatred towards Spurs player here to this day is still annoying.
I don’t think that’s their goal. It’s to weaken their team for the lotto.
I see him as the back up C and a clear upgrade to Collins if they’re trying to make a run a the 8th seed. It’s also “only” a 3M price difference this and next year, which isn’t terrible (trade works straight up salary wise btw). And if we need to get off him, he’ll be a bigger expiring for a trade package next year.
why would I bring up Barnes? He wasn’t part of what the Spurs tank era.
Richardson was part of the DWhite deal, which was the Spurs shedding their good players to 1) allow them to tank and 2) get trade capital… getting expirings to have cap space wasn’t the priority. Aka, exactly the situation that Chicago is looking at (and that I warned everyone would happen as the pick they owed us came due - while people like you insisted that Chicago loves being a play-in team and there is nothing to worry about)
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It should be twofold. If they only weaken their team, they’ll get better, but not for the long haul. Orlando did it this way, and they’re killing it, but they have no stockpile of assets like OKC and SA do.
In 2022, Chicago was in the middle of what would become an 8 year slump and was 5 at the time. Wemby was on the horizon, and instead they signed Zach Lavine to a huge extension after a first round drubbing, their only playoff appearance in that span. Having passed on that opportunity, and because there’s conjecture from some OTHER GM that Vooch is worth 2 SRPs, they’re tanking? If so, they’re doing a bad job. They should have blown it up last summer. They’re a game and a half from the 8th seed.
People are really whipsaw overreacting to both ATL and CHI at this juncture. There was a night a week or so ago when CHI won, ATL lost and they flipped positions, 7 and 15.
Last edited by exstatic; 11-30-2024 at 06:06 PM.
Trying to think back here, when was the last time the Spurs traded a player of consequence to a western conference team? Seems like they like to deal with the other conference in recent years where possible (ATL, CHI, BOS, TORx2)?
this is why i woulda loved Clingan at 8 if Portland didnt scoop him at 7. elite pure backup C and the upside of "if he and wemby ever figure it out together..." stuff.
with that said yeah Reid would be awesome because of the versatility
Since it's becoming pretty obvious Spurs are getting better and definitely won't tank this season, we should actually try to properly compete.
Our biggest and only fundamental issue is Wemby's backup. Obviously we're a long way from being an actual contender, but every other position is decent enough or has young players with a lot of room for improvement.
The biggest issue with backup big position is getting someone good enough to be an upgrade over Collins/Bassey, but still content with playing just 15 to 20 minutes per game.
I mentioned Vucevic several times, but he probably wouldn't be happy with never sharing the floor with Wemby and not closing the games out.
Looking around the league, there aren't many players who would be clear upgrades, wouldn't cost too much and aren't earning too much.
For example I don't think bringing Jakob back would be worth it because he's at $19M a year up until 2027. Too much for a backup.
If we're looking at budget options, Tilman is getting DNPs since Porzingis got back into the lineup and I really liked his effort in the playoffs.
Minimum deal, expiring, but I'm not sure Celtics would be willing to part ways since they can't really get much value for him and it's always more useful to have a guy who knows the system as an emergency backup for the playoffs.
Timelord is finally healthy and it might be worth taking a gamble with him because he's also ona deal that expires in 2026, much like Collins. Blazers have Ayton and Clingan already.
John Collins is making $26.5M this and the next season, but he actually looks like the best option because he's a natural PF who could easily share the floor with Wemby and allow us to get more creative with lineups.
He'd be able to get more minutes than any other name on the list and he probably wouldn't cost much since he's on the trade block.
There's even potential for a big trade with the Jazz which Spurs probably won't do, but it's worth mentioning.
Collins+Keldon+Tre <-> Collins+Sexton
Backup big upgrade and a triple threat scorer off the bench would pretty much guarantee we make the playoffs, imo.
Spacing would get way better and defense would stay on around the same level because none of the players in the trade are great defenders.
(we'd obviously have to add a FRP and SRPs, just to make it clear for a certain smartass)
Last edited by LeBowen; 12-02-2024 at 10:25 AM.
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One problem with Timelord is that he can't play back to backs and comes with built in minute restrictions and is always an injury risk. But when he plays... he's good.
You didn't mention Big Daddy, but he's my guy. Great rebounder. Big, physical presence inside though isn't necessarily a high end rim protector. Gives Mamu an Eastern European buddy. Can hit the three. On the first year of a 3/30 and can be traded on 12/15. Salaries work for a straight Jonas for Zach swap, will just cost us picks. I say load up the SRPs and see if WAS is interested.
Gonna keep beating this drum... but Jonas and DFS are the two moves that put this team in the best position to get really great experience from being a winning team this year without costing us our future flexibility. Neither guy will cost us major draft capital, which we'll need to make our big long term moves (#LauriThread2025).
Idk why I forgot about him. But yeah, he'd be solid.
I'm intrigued by the prospect of John Collins because those small bench lineups with him would run opponents off the floor.
CP3/Devin/Castle/Barnes/Wemby
Sexton/Champ/Jeremy/J. Collins
That looks like a legit rotation with a lot of possibilities and I'd say no mutually exclusive players. With Bassey as 10th man if needed.
Idk who would even start.
(#LauriThread2025)
I'd watch for Malik Monk when Sacramento realizes this core isn't going anywhere.
I'd love Malik, he was my #1 FA target going into last summer, but he extended with SAC on a sweetheart deal before even testing FA. My sense is that he is a sneaky part of their "core" (in part because he seems to want to be there, which is always a consideration for teams like SAC, Utah, heck even us) after Fox and Saboner and they'd sooner trade Murray.
he was my favorite FA as well and i wasnt shy about it. really bummed he signed that deal with Sacto. was definitely below market value for him.
Would Paul Reed be worth a tire kick? Did he and Brett Brown overlap in Philly?
Great ideas above. Vuvecic, Valunciunas, or John Collins would be killer. Monk is a bit pie in the sky, but, would be a great addition to almost any team.
Jonas would be nice. I bet he reaches the buyout market.
SAC doesn't play like that. They just traded away Tyrese a few seasons ago who LOVED being in SAC.
Jonas just signed this offseason and has two years remaining on his deal after this one. I don't think he's a buyout candidate.
A quick overview at all the vets from potential tanking teams who might become available in the trade market:
Wizards: Poole, Kuzma, Valanciunas, Brogdon.
Raptors: Poeltl, Bruce brown, Olynyk
Hornets: Miles Bridges, Nick Richards
Bulls: Vucevic, Lavine
Nets: DFS, Schroder, Cam Johnson
Jazz: Clarkson, Sexton, John Collins
Blazers: Grant, Thybulle, Robert Williams III, Ayton, Anfernee Simons
Pelicans: McCollum, Ingram
I don't think Naz Reid is an option, both as we don't have money free, and I think of the 2 PFs they have, Minny will opt to keep Naz Reid if they can.
Jonas would be a great upgrade - he has limits as a rim protector, but he rebounds the out of the ball, takes up space inside and scores effectively, and can space the floor so a Jonas / Sochan backup lineup works. I'd try and do Collins, Chicago 2nd, another 2nd round pick (Or Collins, Charlotte first that's really two seconds but works well as a sell job) for Jonas (Washington has a ton of seconds already, they might not be as interested in stocking up on pick depth). Eats into 2026 cap a tiny bit, but he's a better player by a solid margin, and it's not that much money - If we have a chance at one of the big fish in 2026 FA, I'd guess we can dump a one year 10m contract with a 2nd round pick.
Wemby / Barnes / Champ / Castle / CP3
Jonas / Sochan / Keldon / Vasssell / Tre
Is a solid 10 man rotation.
Valanciunas on a 10 million contract is great value. Way better than Collins at 18
My bad, I thought he had been traded there and on the last year of his deal. Totally whiffed on that.
JV is getting traded to LAL, book it
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