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Zollins maybe the best back up C were gonna get in the Wemby era. They won't invest a lot of cap and draft capital on that spot moving forward, they may even just play Sochan at backup C. Look at DEN after Plumlee.
I'm afraid my Prince seems like he just doesn't really know how to play basketball. On offense he often seems confused, out of place, and in the way. Charlie may just be a hustle third stringer.
Zollins maybe the best back up C were gonna get in the Wemby era. They won't invest a lot of cap and draft capital on that spot moving forward, they may even just play Sochan at backup C. Look at DEN after Plumlee.
The whole team is top three lottery without Wemby. The Spurs need an enema.
That is also true for Jokic less DEN and Embiid less 76ers. That is just how a team built around a high usage versatile big is structured. It is different from a PNR offense or 5 out drive and kick.
I didn’t like Collins signing but quite a few people did on this board I guess Covid has messed with a lot of people’s memories. The issue for me is why is a backup playing so much and the reason is because Wemby is either out or playing with restricted minutes but that is for another discussion.
This team is just not that good and it is just not 1 player who is playing bad basketball it seems most are wildly inconsistent. To be honest Sochan has probably been the most consistent player this year which has been at least one silver lining. If it was me I would make massive changes this off season as far as making trades and just downright letting some people just walk.
When you look at his stats alone, they don't look terrible. 4th in Defensive Rating on the team, nearly 15/8 per 36. He is also a decent passer and screen setter. That is serviceable for a backup big.twas chinook
im usually a fan of his as well, but man that take...
Then you dig deeper...
-62 +/- on the season despite being 10th in MPG (4th worst on the team)
33% from three which is below average (fortunately on low attempts). Dude hits just enough to keep shooting, then his next shot will be an airball.
5.5 Fouls Per 36. And dude has the audacity to complain about foul calls. If he played a full game, he would be fouling out all the time...that could not all be the refs fault.
Oh, and he's the 4th highest paid player on the roster.
Most importantly, he just doesn't pass the eye test. If you actually watch the games, he floats in space all the time. He drops back in defense too much which lets guys either shoot right over him, or trap him under the basket where he gets over-powered or fouls.
And, like OP, I am just sick and tired of his at ude and constant pouting on the court. Last night's game was the perfect culmination of all of that. That type of personality just brings the team morale down as a whole. I literally cringe every time he has the ball.
Last edited by Dex; 12-07-2024 at 12:19 PM.
0-4 with him, 6-11 without him.
He floats in space because he lost all of his athleticism and can't move. He moves slower than some heavy 7 footers, but doesn't have their size.
Actual bigs bully him, players with similar size just run circles around him.
A lot of bad rim protectors are at least good rebounders, but his rebounding is also horrible, almost a non-factor.
Before he got paid, he was at least decent on offense, made the right plays most of the time and had solid post moves to exploit mismatches. Now he can't do anything.
If you ask me, bench players just can't have that at ude, they must be good teammates and positive for everyone around them.
Bassey is also a scrub, but when you hear him talk and look at his energy on the court, it's contagious.
Mamu does well most of the time when he gets minutes, still gets DNP'd and never complains.
When you hear Collins talk to the media it's like he feels he deserves a bigger role.
He's paid on level with some great 6th men and his production is worse than a lot of minimum contract bigs.
Spurs revived his career, helped him rehabilitate, gave him a contract he didn't deserve, but now it's time to move on. I don't care if they ship his ass back to Portland or whatever, he got way more from the Spurs than he gave back.
Considering the injuries, this year is going about as well as can be expected. Vassell out significant time and on restrictions when he is playing, Jones missing significant time, Sochan missing time, Wemby missing some games...we just don't have our weapons. We've been counting on rookie Stephon Castle to play well above his current level to compete.
Spurs are winning more games than last year (so far), hopefully enough to keep Wemby feeling like we can be compe ive in the future. I'm sure that losing streak last season didn't sit well.
That said, it's fairly obvious we aren't close to a top-tier team...even a play-in berth is a stretch in the West.
Win enough to keep Wemby happy, but not enough to threaten a good draft pick...and then we need to do a purge next summer.
His knees are done this season.
At the time and now, the contracts for Devin and Zollins seem too high. Devin because he's always injured; Zollins because he's not really a starter.
I think Wright got manic when they drafted Wemby and inexplicably rushed their own process.
Zollins sure but you lose Devin to RFA if your not willing to pay that amount. UTA and DET would surely take a chance on him, none are too worried about capspace for awhile.
Waiting for the fine.
Zhaquille Collins is garbage, has been garbage, continues to be garbage. Everyone just assumes he sucks but in reality, there were much higher expectations when he started next to Wemby in Game 1 of his (Wemby's) career. This guy was supposed to be a halfway decent shooter at the very minimum. Very definition of a contract year player who sucks at all other times.
There's a lot more that "have" to go.
Your focus on Zach is probably steeped in racism because Bassey, Branham and Wesley suck worse.
Zach was actually playing very well in mid-November then his production dived again. The word inconsistent is accurate. He’s a very expensive inconsistent backup Center at 16-18 mil a year.
Last edited by John B; 12-07-2024 at 02:23 PM.
What the ?
I'm focusing on Collins because he's supposed to be a high level backup and he's taking up 11% of our total cap.
Branham and Wesley are on rookie deals and no chance they'll ever earn anything more than a minimum once it's up.
Bassey is a reclamation project and a third stringer. He doesn't have to go, he's a third stringer on a minimum contract, he's not even supposed to play and we have to fill our roster. Can't have anyone cheaper.
Three of them combined amount to 50% of Collins' salary. That's why I'm "racist".
You could have made this thread about almost everyone on the roster. We have no credible PF or C on the roster after Wemby. Sochan is a SF/PF. He is not a true PF, too small. Mamu is not the answer either, don’t try that bs on me.
Well, he’s one of the problems. CB has even more shortcomings.
LOL playing the race card as if Collins isn't being paid $17.5 million to suck.
You're exaggerating about Collins because there is something very good about him: in 6 months, he will be a nice $18M expiring contract Spurs could use in a trade.
It could be worth trying to get a new PF-C with ATL pick.
At the time it was a debate of who was better: Keldon or Devin. Over that summer in question, imo, Devin improved his game and impressed the staff to get that big contract. But it was more than anyone else would have paid. One of the questions was also if his knee was healthy and that would dictate his salary. So far, his injuries continue and so that has turned out to be an unfortunate evaluation.
On top of all this, his style of play is heliocentric which was not the goal. So, lots of questions about the worth of his contract.
It may work out in the end but I wouldn't call his new contract a huge success so far.
You know, this actually kinda fits.
he·li·o·cen·tric
adjective:
Having or representing the sun as the center, as in the accepted astronomical model of the solar system.
Astronomy:
Measured from or considered in relation to the center of the sun.
"heliocentric distance"
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