Spurs trade ideas

[LeBowen]

It's weird bc I thought we already had a rim protector...

I like the way Sabonis plays. He's a very smart player, sets tough screens, moves well without the ball. He doesn't have to shoot it 15 times a game to impact the game. He's a savy passer and makes heads up plays whenever there is traffic in the lane. Plus he's a monster rebounder.

It is true that he isn't a very good defender. But if he were that, then he'd probably be the best player in the league tbh and Sac wouldn't want to trade him

He's a great player...the problem is that bigs who can't protect the rim lose most of their value in the playoffs.
Jokic has a lot of size on him and it took a lot of defensive work and improvement for him to become solid on that end, Sabonis is nowhere near that level.
And unfortuantely basketball has moved away from post scoring and smart plays, it's all about 3pt chucking.
Wemby being the best example. Chucking 3pts is as good as posting up in most games and uses way less energy.

[KobesAchilles]

I know that bball has all become Moreyball. But I'm not worried about winning a championship in 4 years. IMO that's not a feasible goal currently bc in order to achieve it, you'd have to gut like 75% of the roster or just make major changes. I want us just to be a playoff team first. I want Wemby to get playoff experience asap.

This isn't a shot at you. But when do you honestly expect us to make the playoffs? My own guess is 2027. I wonder what you're timeframe is.

I think getting Sabonis while flawed defensively would get us to a 2nd round playoff team over the next 4 years. Maybe a WCF if we hit on some picks and players continue to improve. That would make Wemby 25 and entering his prime with a huge amount of playoff experience and hopefully by then his game will be at level where he has the capability to carry us to a ring or two.

[LeBowen]

This isn't a shot at you. But when do you honestly expect us to make the playoffs? My own guess is 2027. I wonder what you're timeframe is.

Not making the playoffs next season would be an absolute disaster.
There are too many old teams in the conference that are close to their expiry date.

Jazz and Blazers just started their rebuilds.
Pelicans are a dumpster fire.
Kings reached their ceiling and are treadmilling.
Suns have no assets left and KD is 36, their record without him is horrible and he can't stay healthy anymore.
Lakers will implode this season, they're done.
Clippers always manage to be decent, but Harden is 35 and nephew is retired at this point.
Warriors are trying to stay compe ive, but Curry is in noticable decline and be 37 before the playoffs start.

That's 8 teams that are either far away from the playoffs or trending downwards because of age.
And it's not like the situation is great for some playoff teams.

Timberwolves managed to shoot themelves in the foot, got worse without solving their horrible cap situation.
Nuggets have the best player in the world and one of the worst rosters in the league around him.
Thunder, Grizzlies, Rockets and Mavs look like the only teams that surely won't get worse in 2025-26 season.

We have Wemby, a few players with good potential, a lot of picks and good cap situation.
If we don't make the playoffs (not play-in) in 2025-26 season, Brian Wright can pack his bags, tbh.

I think getting Sabonis while flawed defensively would get us to a 2nd round playoff team over the next 4 years. Maybe a WCF if we hit on some picks and players continue to improve. That would make Wemby 25 and entering his prime with a huge amount of playoff experience and hopefully by then his game will be at level where he has the capability to carry us to a ring or two.

I definitely agree that Wemby should have multiple star teammates across his timeline and I'd get someone who's contract expires before Wemby's extension kicks in, I just don't think Sabonis is the guy. I think we're past the idea of Wemby playing with another big unless that big can defend the perimeter and is a legit 3pt shooter.

[scott]

tbh I think Sabonis could actually work... not advocating we put a lot of effort into thinking about it, and it's not my preferred option... but I could definitely see it ***if*** Castle developed into a shooter at PG and you had a high level defending 3&D wing as well.

Castle
Vassell
A Clone of Danny Green
Sabonis
Wemby

[$pursDynasty]

I hear the Pelicans might be willing to trade Herb Jones, not a great need but we have a mountain of assets, Herb's game is what Pop loves. So I know he would fit, but what would he cost and would you guys be willing to pay it, to add an elite defender to the roster, he is a prime Nephew level defender.

[LeBowen]

I hear the Pelicans might be willing to trade Herb Jones, not a great need but we have a mountain of assets, Herb's game is what Pop loves. So I know he would fit, but what would he cost and would you guys be willing to pay it, to add an elite defender to the roster, he is a prime Nephew level defender.

Anyone is tradeable if the offer is right. Pelicans probably don't even pick up the phone if the offer is less than 2 legit FRPs.
And then some more if they have to take a bad contract in return. Meaning no Collins or Keldon. Yeah, I know they need bigs, but I doubt they'd take Collins.

Probably something like Tre+Branham+2 FRPs.

If we're talking stars asking out, I'd just wait to see what happens with Fox.
Devin+Tre+picks for Fox would be the best offer they can get.

Win now scenario:
Devin+Tre+picks for Fox
Collins+picks for Herb
Keldon+picks for Cam Johnson

Fox/Castle/Herb/Cam/Wemby
CP3/Champ/Jeremy/Bassey

[Jordan Jackson]

Sabonis is ehhh. Kings do need to dump him or find a real big man to play next to him. They actually need to fire Mike Brown but that’s a whole other conversation.

I still like Herb Jones. I think the Spurs should go all in on an elite defense. Wemby/Castle and him would be a good start. POA defenders at the Wing and guard would probably free Wemby to be a little more aggressive on defense and not so help conscious.

Anyway, I’m sure the Spurs “like what we have”’. Fun to spit ball though.

[spurraider21]

tbh I think Sabonis could actually work... not advocating we put a lot of effort into thinking about it, and it's not my preferred option... but I could definitely see it ***if*** Castle developed into a shooter at PG and you had a high level defending 3&D wing as well.

Castle
Vassell
A Clone of Danny Green
Sabonis
Wemby

its weird cause last year playing wemby alongside another center was bad. but this year it has looked fine with sochan who has more or less stopped shooting 3's and is doing pretty well in the paint on that end, so he's basically been an undersized center offensively. pair that with wemby being much more of a shooter than last year, and you wonder if they can re-try playing him with a center. sabonis is a better paint finisher than sochan, and is a better passer/playmaker. certainly an elite rebounder

the issue then is defensively, wemby is still much much better as a paint defender than using his length to flail at 3 point shooters. and sabonis doesnt do anything well on defense aside from hunting for rebounds. you basically need another big who can cross-match... plays more of a center role on offense, more of a PF role on defense. its not a very common archetype.

[KobesAchilles]

Not making the playoffs next season would be an absolute disaster.
There are too many old teams in the conference that are close to their expiry date.

Jazz and Blazers just started their rebuilds.
Pelicans are a dumpster fire.
Kings reached their ceiling and are treadmilling.
Suns have no assets left and KD is 36, their record without him is horrible and he can't stay healthy anymore.
Lakers will implode this season, they're done.
Clippers always manage to be decent, but Harden is 35 and nephew is retired at this point.
Warriors are trying to stay compe ive, but Curry is in noticable decline and be 37 before the playoffs start.

That's 8 teams that are either far away from the playoffs or trending downwards because of age.
And it's not like the situation is great for some playoff teams.

Timberwolves managed to shoot themelves in the foot, got worse without solving their horrible cap situation.
Nuggets have the best player in the world and one of the worst rosters in the league around him.
Thunder, Grizzlies, Rockets and Mavs look like the only teams that surely won't get worse in 2025-26 season.

We have Wemby, a few players with good potential, a lot of picks and good cap situation.
If we don't make the playoffs (not play-in) in 2025-26 season, Brian Wright can pack his bags, tbh.



I definitely agree that Wemby should have multiple star teammates across his timeline and I'd get someone who's contract expires before Wemby's extension kicks in, I just don't think Sabonis is the guy. I think we're past the idea of Wemby playing with another big unless that big can defend the perimeter and is a legit 3pt shooter.

I'm very old school. I am in the mind that two bigs like Wemby and Sabonis can work because they play so differently. I think they could establish themselves very well on offense. Wemby likes to play the perimeter and Sabonis likes to be in the paint. Wemby is averaging like 10 threes a game. I don't think he needs to be paired with a shooting big. I also think Sabonis is so good as a distributor and knows where to be at all times on offense that he would fit like a glove with Wemby. The guy just knows how to utilize space.

Defensively I believe that he falls short. It's his arms. But with Wemby and Champ and hopefully Castle going forward, I think our defense will be pretty stout. But yeah in the playoffs they are going to pick n roll him to death. But that's kinda a matchup thing bc I don't see too many teams really taking advantage of it besides our neighbors in Dallas and the Grizz.

Now my dream is that Fox wants out. He'd probably go to the Lakers but I don't think they have the same assets we have. A Fox/Wemby pick n roll would be unstoppable. But looking at the potential targets for the Spurs and there aren't many game changers. So Fox or Sabonis might be as good as it gets. Though a Jimmy Butler pairing (for his work ethic alone) would have me intrigued. As a player he doesn't line up with us at all. But as a dawg mentality, and at ude, and toughness... well he's exactly what I want for the Spurs. Shame he makes 52 million next year

[Seventyniner]

If the Spurs finish with a win total in the mid to high 30s this year, even if that means missing the play-in, not making the playoffs next year would be a disaster.

[LeBowen]

Defensively I believe that he falls short. It's his arms. But with Wemby and Champ and hopefully Castle going forward, I think our defense will be pretty stout. But yeah in the playoffs they are going to pick n roll him to death. But that's kinda a matchup thing bc I don't see too many teams really taking advantage of it besides our neighbors in Dallas and the Grizz.

Not worth it, imo.
You don't want to have someone who can't move on the perimeter in the lineup with Wemby because Wemby needs to be protecting the rim.

Obviously having Sabonis over Jeremy in the starting lineup would be an upgrade because he's a way better player, but I don't think PATFO are even considering going with another big.

Now my dream is that Fox wants out. He'd probably go to the Lakers but I don't think they have the same assets we have. A Fox/Wemby pick n roll would be unstoppable. But looking at the potential targets for the Spurs and there aren't many game changers. So Fox or Sabonis might be as good as it gets. Though a Jimmy Butler pairing (for his work ethic alone) would have me intrigued. As a player he doesn't line up with us at all. But as a dawg mentality, and at ude, and toughness... well he's exactly what I want for the Spurs. Shame he makes 52 million next year

Kings would rather relocate than deal with the Lakers.
If Fox asks out, Spurs would be one of the few teams that has the assets and is a good fit.

I don't think we should be looking at players older than 32 unless they require no assets to acquire.

[scott]

its weird cause last year playing wemby alongside another center was bad.

I think we can all draw a pretty decent hypothesis of why on this one

[spurraider21]

I think we can all draw a pretty decent hypothesis of why on this one

what are you insinuating about Zach "Objectively Good" Collins?

[baseline bum]

Now my dream is that Fox wants out. He'd probably go to the Lakers but I don't think they have the same assets we have. A Fox/Wemby pick n roll would be unstoppable. But looking at the potential targets for the Spurs and there aren't many game changers. So Fox or Sabonis might be as good as it gets. Though a Jimmy Butler pairing (for his work ethic alone) would have me intrigued. As a player he doesn't line up with us at all. But as a dawg mentality, and at ude, and toughness... well he's exactly what I want for the Spurs. Shame he makes 52 million next year

Would you do a Bridges package for Fox? I imagine he'd be extremely expensive with another year remaining on his deal after this one.

[LeBowen]

Would you do a Bridges package for Fox? I imagine he'd be extremely expensive with another year remaining on his deal after this one.

Fox is a tier above Bridges, but Bridges had two years left on his deal.
Fox will have only one. Nothing will happen before summer, obviously.
But if Kings continue treadmilling Fox will surely explore his options and there's only so much you can get for a player on expiring deal.
Devin and a couple more good FRPs would be fair.
Young player on a long, team-friendly deal and picks are the best possible outcome for them.

It will all come down to Devin's health and Fox's ambition. If he asks out, Spurs are easily his best option.

[tonight...you]

what are you insinuating about Zach "Objectively Good" Collins?

Does that make him Zach OG Collins?
Maybe OG Zollins?

[Mal]

I dont know this is the thread for bull trade ideas found on the internet, but I just saw Spurs - Bucks trade
Spurs:
Paul
Vassell
Cissoko
Sochan
2025, 2026, 2028 1st
2027 2nd

Bucks:

Lllard

[spurraider21]

thats a giannis package, not a lollard package

[Bruno]

A possible trade deadline move for Spurs would be Chris Paul to Clippers for PJ Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Paul is often saying how he miss living with his kids, who are living in LA. Spurs could do him a nice gesture by trading him there and it would allow Spurs FO to evaluate how the team is doing without him. What I don't know is whether or not Clippers are interested in adding him to their team.

[spurraider21]

A possible trade deadline move for Spurs would be Chris Paul to Clippers for PJ Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Paul is often saying how he miss living with his kids, who are living in LA. Spurs could do him a nice gesture by trading him there and it would allow Spurs FO to evaluate how the team is doing without him. What I don't know is whether or not Clippers are interested in adding him to their team.

absolutely not. PJ Tucker a malcontent. a SRP from the clippers isnt worth it. Paul is invaluable here. if anything i'd explore re-signing him for another year.

[LeBowen]

A possible trade deadline move for Spurs would be Chris Paul to Clippers for PJ Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Paul is often saying how he miss living with his kids, who are living in LA. Spurs could do him a nice gesture by trading him there and it would allow Spurs FO to evaluate how the team is doing without him. What I don't know is whether or not Clippers are interested in adding him to their team.

No way CP3 wants to play with Harden again.
Spurs also have 18 SRPs (and probably CHA, maybe CHI FRPs not conveying) in the next 6 drafts, I doubt PATFO cares about incoming SRPs anymore.

[Bruno]

absolutely not. PJ Tucker a malcontent. a SRP from the clippers isnt worth it. Paul is invaluable here. if anything i'd explore re-signing him for another year.

You don't to the trade for Tucker (he will be immediately waived) or for the SRP.

I'll do the trade for two reasons:
First, to be nice with Paul: let him finish his season/career on a playoff team and be more with his kids.
Second, Paul is a great help for the team but it's a temporary's one. At some point, Spurs will need to know whether they can keep playing at a decent level without him around. The last couple of months of this season is a good time to evaluate that. I would especially like to know if Castle can work as the main point guard.

[Mal]

You don't to the trade for Tucker (he will be immediately waived) or for the SRP.

I'll do the trade for two reasons:
First, to be nice with Paul: let him finish his season/career on a playoff team and be more with his kids.
Second, Paul is a great help for the team but it's a temporary's one. At some point, Spurs will need to know whether they can keep playing at a decent level without him around. The last couple of months of this season is a good time to evaluate that. I would especially like to know if Castle can work as the main point guard.

He will pull a hammy eventually, as he usually does

[Seventyniner]

A possible trade deadline move for Spurs would be Chris Paul to Clippers for PJ Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Paul is often saying how he miss living with his kids, who are living in LA. Spurs could do him a nice gesture by trading him there and it would allow Spurs FO to evaluate how the team is doing without him. What I don't know is whether or not Clippers are interested in adding him to their team.

How about Paul and Zollins to the Lakers for D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, and a top 1 protected 2029 swap? With a plan to buy out D-Lo and just eat the extra year of Vincent a la Devonta' Graham.

If the Lakers get desperate and CP3 really wants to be there, it can make sense for everyone.

[twodeep]

How about Paul and Zollins to the Lakers for D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, and a top 1 protected 2029 swap? With a plan to buy out D-Lo and just eat the extra year of Vincent a la Devonta' Graham.

If the Lakers get desperate and CP3 really wants to be there, it can make sense for everyone.

With Lebron quitting on them would they not just try to unload James