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Didn’t realize you are this dense. But ok. Lack of variance.
Top 5 player on the roster
Danny Green was the poster child for variance. I swear that he alternated 4/5 nights with 0/5 nights. That still made him one of the best 3&D guys out there. If you’re a 40% shooter, you don’t shoot 2/5 every night.
Also, I’m not the dense one. If you use a noun, and then say that I should have psychically figured out that you meant NOT the noun, you have the problem, not me.
Ok. You win. I will try to focus on proper grammar and writing on a basketball forum, because I have to be cognizant that there are re s who can’t see the obvious. Especially how consistency means accuracy. Go write a dictionary for me too.
And I highly appreciate the random point about Danny green. Speaking of which. What’s your point, champaigne suck more than last year? He’s always good? He suck less? Do you have a point other than showing your vast linguistic superiority over people like me?
My new life goal is to write like you on a basketball forum, and will start equating accuracy to consistency. I am forever in your debt.
Go Julian
Came to this thread for a different reason but not going to pass up an opportunity to clown exstatic.
Variance is a measure. One of the thing it can measure is, consistency. Just like temperature can measure cold. Because most adults have at least an elementary school education, no one has to go around saying "it's cold, we can tell by the lack of temperature"
We can measure consistency with variance (or standard deviation), the fact that a low variance means consistency is implied by the definition of variance. DUH DONKEY
So hes the new danny green? Kool
Anyway... what I came here for...
Not that I have a strong desire to get rid of him, but Julian might sneakily be one of our absolute best trade assets to a very specific subset of teams. Dude plays solid defense, is a decent (but inconsistent - which can be fixed) shooter, and is under contract for less than 2% of the cap for two more years after this one.
A 1st apron team (who cannot take back more salary than they send) with atrocious depth would LOVE a guy like Champ. The Spurs can take back up to $6.25MM for Julian, and a 1st team would just have to send out $3MM or more. The Spurs would obviously require draft compensation for this, and I think Julian could actually net an FRP from a playoff team looking to make a move like this.
Here are all the teams to whom this would apply
- DEN could send any one of: Saric, Westbrook, Braun, Holmes. I think Saric is the only one who makes even a little bit of sense, but it leaves DEN even weaker in bench bigs and they probably don't need another SF. That might be the only position they're okay on depth wise.
- PHX is actually who could probably use Julian the most but they don't have any contracts that work
- MIN could only send NAW, so they probably wouldn't do that.
- BOS could send Jaden Springer, who I've heard somewhere that they might actually look to move, but I'm not sure they need Julian... but they do love to shoot 3s, play some D, and get great value from the Spurs.
- MIL has no one they can send
- LAL could send Christian Wood, Dalton Knecht (not going to happen), or Jalen Hood-Schifino. The Lakers declined JHS's 3rd year option so this would actually be a perfect move for them if they wanted to add a player like Champ.
- NYK could send Miles McBride or Precious Achiuwa, they aren't going to do either of those things.
- MIA could send: Josh Richardson, Jaime Jaquez, Kevin Love, Kel Ware, or Haywood Highsmith. Richardson and Love would be the realistic options, probably Josh.
- PHI could send: Eric Gordon, Jared McCain, or Andre Drummond. This isn't a move they're going to make though it would be hilarious.
How does Champ to MIA for Josh and a 2028 FRP and a 2029 Swap sound?
This really interested me so I was hoping that some nerd had put together a Python script to measure variance (or standard deviation), and it turns out they haven't. Did find this great article where this guy looked at just a subset of players:
https://medium.com/@ben.g.ballard/nb...s-bfdc1a008034
Surprising absolutely no one, Steph is the least variable of any of the elite volume 3 point shooters in the league.
I actually wanted to do something like this, but not on individual players but more on teams. I always have a semi serious hunch of a conspiracy that the nba promotes 3 pt shooting to benefit the gambling side of business due to variance in scoring, and as such the gambling outcome.This really interested me so I was hoping that some nerd had put together a Python script to measure variance (or standard deviation), and it turns out they haven't. Did find this great article where this guy looked at just a subset of players:
https://medium.com/@ben.g.ballard/nb...s-bfdc1a008034
Surprising absolutely no one, Steph is the least variable of any of the elite volume 3 point shooters in the league.
The stats don’t favour me that much as the 3 pt evolution clearly started with the Durant warriors, where there was a clear increase in 3pa league wise in 2016-17 season, with an almost 3 attempts increase from the previous year, where previously it was trending at a 1.5 attempt increase per season. Which is why this is more a conspiracy than a theory.
But I am still curious as to how 3 pt shooting benefits the league in the betting side of business (I think it started in the 2018-19 season). What my conspiracy is is that 3 pt shooting leads to higher variance, which leads to more unexpected outcomes, leading to larger winnings, which leads to more betting. The variance side is easy to do, but I don’t have the betting numbers to check the historical lines, then the payouts, then the pool, so I gave up. lol.
On the other hand the Celtics are breaking this model by having almost every player shoot threes at a higher volume, which allows them to smooth out the variance as a team by allowing variance with individual players but overall relative consistency with the team, which is something I have to crunch the numbers to verify.
One of the main thing I'm wondering about Spurs is how good a Castle/Vassell/Champagnie/Sochan/Wembanyama lineup can be in a couple of years?
Maybe it will suck because there isn't enough talent, playmaking and shooting
Maybe it will be the starting lineup of a contender.
It will obviously depend on the development of these young players, but, right now, I have truly no idea about good or bad it can be
Champaigne will likely never be a creator but he may end up as a decent finisher. He has to work on his 3s and continue to improve on this driving game. His individual defense has always been at least decent and this year his team defence went up a step.
Sochan will also likely not be much of a creator but can be a good connective piece on offence. He is also a finisher but mostly as a cutter. Would love to have him shoot better from outside but that will take a long time.
Castle can definitely create for himself and others, but I’d still like to have him as a secondary creator. Again outside shooting.
Vassell is the big question mark. He can create for himself quite well. Next step is to create for others. Not sure if he will ever get there.
Wemby can clearly create for himself, his passing is special for a big, but I’d still like to see him do it at the high post area rather than 30 feet out.
While the last few games were simply ghastly defensively, I think the spurs have the tools to be a good defensive team even when wemby is resting. A lot has to do with themes, so let’s see how the coaching staff will handle that.
Dude is a bargain. You'd want him to tick up a tad in his three percentage, but it's still good. Important is that he's productive elsewhere. He's doubled his rebounding per game - it seems a concentration for him and Sochan as starters next to Wemby. I remember when Pop was begging him to just launch shots two years ago and now he's just letting them go.
His 3pt percentage it's actually fine now, it's just that he had a slow start.
Had a 4 game stretch with 3-18 games early on which brings down his percentage.
Shooting 37.6% on 7.8 attempts over the past 19 games and a lot of his misses go in and out like that heat check did last night.
Can't ask for more of a player who has size and is also solid on defense. Won't even mention his contract, I actually wonder is anyone else who's making less than $5M a year doing better than him this season?
Home grown
Or Spurs castle-forged......
Also...am I crazy to think Champagnie should be in Most Improved Player conversation? I'm not saying he should win it, but he definitely needs to make the shortlist.
He was out of the league less than two years ago, this season he's playing 10mpg more and he doubled his scoring and rebounding while also slightly improving his efficency.
I think Champ and Sochan both have a case to be made. Unfortunately this award is really more of a "player who made a leap into All Star territory" or "best young player" award, not the player who improved the most, so neither is likely to get much consideration (Sochan might because he's of a higher profile - but probably not).
Champ reached his 1000 points last night, and one of the only undrafted players with Reaves and FVV to reach 300 points this season. His productions have all improved, particularly his defense and rebounding. I’m not going to say MIP discussion, but hey the kid’s really making the most of his opportunities.
Champagnie Supernova in the sky
Julian's down by the schoolyard, schoolin'.
That's all I got.
more proof that the Spurs still can develop talent.
Hes adjusting to life off the bench and less good shots than he had in the starting lineup but his defense, rebounding and cutting to the basket are still there.
easy guy to root for.
If I was Champagnie, I'd ask for a trade. This is just nepotism at work. Or should I say contract-ism?
Plays well with Devin and Jeremy injured, gets benched and our starters look way worse without him.
But not only that, he's also somehow behind Keldon in rotation.
From 30 to 22mpg.
Gets us out of a slump at Brooklyn, 18 points on 9 shots and is rewarded with 10 minutes against Minnesota.
Keeps us in the game last night, 15 points and is rewarded with a whole bunch of nothing tonight.
Hit both his 3pt shots in the first half, got fouled on his first one in second...guess how many 3pt shots he finished with?
2 in 22 minutes.
He earned his roster spot, waited for a chance, took advantage of it and now he's behind negative players after all that. Because of what? What's the reasoning?
Tre, Keldon, Vassell need to be ing traded. Jokic is the best player in the world and his teammates are so much better than Victor's are.
I'll keep quoting this post after every game he doesn't close out.
FREE CHAMPAGNIE!!!
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