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Still crying I see...
what a moron you areWere you crying while writing your post?
FYI "Wemby's cryptonite..." was a quote
And anyone not uber sensitive/defensive can see Sochan's limitations in court awareness, passing and shooting abilities. He forces Wemby and the rest of the lineup to adapt to those and changes the way the team plays, with less passing and fluidity.
Yes, he's necessary on defense but he's costly on offense
Still crying I see...
apparently tim duncan was a better shooter lmaoKaren!! I missed your stalking...
Yeah Sochan isn't a liability at all, he's got a great reliable shot that allows the team to spread the floor, amazing poise, court vision and his passes are on point all the time!
Let's give the kid a max extension as well as Mitch, the future will look bright then!
Thx for sharing a bit of your amazing BBIQ Karen!
girl don't even hope
some no-name roach with no logic isn't worth my tears
Not surprised your world is just polar opposites. What about your nuanced views?Karen!! I missed your stalking...
Yeah Sochan isn't a liability at all, he's got a great reliable shot that allows the team to spread the floor, amazing poise, court vision and his passes are on point all the time!
Let's give the kid a max extension as well as Mitch, the future will look bright then!
Thx for sharing a bit of your amazing BBIQ Karen!
Given how productive sochan has been, both with measuring and advanced stats, it’s rather surprising to say sochan is a liability at all but hey, it’s coming from you.
You don’t understand what Karen means, and you are now thinking responses on a basketball forum is stalking? It’s like you try to outdo your own re edness every time, but can somehow succeed at it. It’s really remarkable. To top it off you won’t admit to being wrong, and would say things that’s even more outlandish to show that your previous remark really isn’t that bad because you got even worse takes. So far it’s the only thing you seem to succeed in.
So … absolutely no responses with regards to the numbers? Given it’s you, I won’t be surprised you can’t figure out which number is the bigger number.
You are so predictable...
As usual you're being selective to fit your narrative, I've been more than nuanced with Sochan, acknowledging his necessary impact on defense but the constant balance issue with his offensive liabilities. We just happen to have a franchise player who's a complicate one that requieres higher IQ and fundamentals around for the "exeperiment" to be a success. Sochan is a lot more comfortable when Vic is on the bench bc his game becomes more simple, he doesn't have to think as much.
Not sure you've ever been educated on the use of statistics, nor on the fact that their purpose isn't to disover something you can't see watching the game.
The more you isolate a stat the more you're doomed to say something stupid. It's a great entertaining tool tho
As for "Karen", you've earned it, don't be shy, or maybe educate yourself on that too, maybe you missed some criterias.
Sochan is over rated by Spurs fans.
He isn't strong at anything and is gifted minutes because the spurs are weak in talent.
If it wasn't for having Wemby the Spurs are still a bottom 3 team.
If Wemby is out for an extended time the spurs would quickly sink.
Given the new tax/apron rules we're likely not able to have 2 extra All-Stars on the team after VW. Having players like Sochan is completely fine. We just need to raise the overall talent level of the team at multiple positions, while finding a true second banana who can initiate and score independently. It might be Castle or someone who isn't on the team yet.
But again, given the new rules, you have to build around one Superstar, and luckily we have the best one there is pretty much moving forward.
I'm not completely endorsing the front office to get it all right, but we are still improving.
So your response to pace is that you have acknowledged sochans defence and your response to stats is that stats add stupid and we should take your stance as correct? Especially given your deluge of bad takes? Man. You just has the ability to outdo your own stupidity. It’s really incredible.You are so predictable...
As usual you're being selective to fit your narrative, I've been more than nuanced with Sochan, acknowledging his necessary impact on defense but the constant balance issue with his offensive liabilities. We just happen to have a franchise player who's a complicate one that requieres higher IQ and fundamentals around for the "exeperiment" to be a success. Sochan is a lot more comfortable when Vic is on the bench bc his game becomes more simple, he doesn't have to think as much.
Not sure you've ever been educated on the use of statistics, nor on the fact that their purpose isn't to disover something you can't see watching the game.
The more you isolate a stat the more you're doomed to say something stupid. It's a great entertaining tool tho
As for "Karen", you've earned it, don't be shy, or maybe educate yourself on that too, maybe you missed some criterias.
Sochan is actually 2nd on the team in Player Impact Estimate. He is 90th percentile in league offensive rebounding so far (in a small sample size), 14th in the league in contested offensive rebounds, top quartile in the league in screen assists per 36. 80th percentile in PPG, ranked 70th in ball handling ability, 62nd percentile in assist% (lol low IQ player who can't pass), 86th percentile in defense, 89th in rebounding, 78th in defensive rebounding. You know who isn't good? Shaedon Sharpe. He is below median in teamwork, defense and rebounding, and is average in ball handling. He is only better than 40% of NBA players.
Sure all of this is based off of a website, but this is so funny how off these Spurstalk experts are:
https://3stepsbasket.com/player/jeremy-sochan
https://3stepsbasket.com/player/shaedon-sharpe
Ok, this is where I know you have no idea what you're talking about and just spew nonsense. The absolute beauty of numerical analysis is just what you said it lacks. It is EXCELLENT at showing you what you miss from just casual observation. Nothing you have said prior to this point made me believe you were actually a thoughtful person but this one line is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen anyone on this site post and that is saying something.You are so predictable...
Not sure you've ever been educated on the use of statistics, nor on the fact that their purpose isn't to disover something you can't see watching the game.
At this point Pauleta14 is like a laughing stock of the site, s/he just continuously comes up with shockingly bad takes that it's not even shocking anymore, and when called out, will change the entire goalpost, pull up something irrelevant and said you can't read because you just didn't understand the nuances of his/her argument.
No. Not correct at all...
1st I exposed your ironical "repeating something doesn't make it true" with your own false statement about my view on Sochan that you over simplified, conveniently forgetting 50% of it ^^
2nd you need to read again, while controlling your breathing this time, you won't find me saying stats are stupid, just that you probably are and don't know how to read or interpret them. I know it looks simple but clearly you've missed some math classes at school.
3rd I know nuance isn't your thing but who knows, try again, you might get that one can criticize some aspects of one's game while giving credit to other parts. It's all about balance and Sochan's varies from game to game from positive to really negative.
Now if in your world sochan has a good court vision, is a good passer, has poise and high IQ... Or if his horrible shooting isn't an incentive for opponents to leave him alone to pack the paint...
You never fail to entertain me Karen
You 2 are really cute.
Nah, you REALLY are cute...
Find me a quote about saying you said Sochan's defense is bad.No. Not correct at all...
1st I exposed your ironical "repeating something doesn't make it true" with your own false statement about my view on Sochan that you over simplified, conveniently forgetting 50% of it ^^
My fault, I kept forgetting you are re ed. Generally speaking, stats is a tool and cannot be stupid itself, but when people say stats are stupid, it means that stats are providing the wrong results, I didn't realize you would think otherwise and require some sort of explanation as if it's an insight, but again, you are re ed.. The point is that you are amazing in that you are saying it's wrong, without ANY backup or how it was wrong. As always, you can't back your up.
Varies from game to game? In 13 games this year, he had, statistically speaking under Game Score, one bad game, and 9 games over 10. You take out the highest and the lowest, and he hovers around a gamescore of around 8 and 18, that's pretty consistent. To put it in perspective, Wemby hovers between 7 and 40. CP3, a vet hovers between 4 and 20. But, oh wait, the stats don't match with your eye test so they must be wrong.
Hey, what do we see here? You making up again! Sochan most definitely has to improve his shooting, I actually wrote a post not long ago saying that his shooting is worse this year not just because the percentages are down, but also his reluctance in shooting is really killing the spacing.Now if in your world sochan has a good court vision, is a good passer, has poise and high IQ... Or if his horrible shooting isn't an incentive for opponents to leave him alone to pack the paint...
You never fail to entertain me Karen
Sochan, based on advanced stats, is 70th percentile in ball handling (that is as a PF, so it goes up against guards and wings), 62nd percentile in assist% (again, includes guards and wings), is a lockdown defender which requires high IQ. I am not sure how you came up with poise, but oh yeah, you said it so it must be right.
You've been repeating the same for over a year, and there is absolute no backup at all. Last year you were crapping Sochan on this defence as well btw, quoting stats about his defensive rating without taking into consideration how he was put on the other team's best player, so you are really the expert in misinterpreting stats and don't know what you are talking about.
BTW, tell us again how stats should be used again? That was gold.
You 2 are really cute.I don't really get this part, is this supposed to be an insult? Like really, how badly do you want to tell the world you are actually re ed?Nah, you REALLY are cute...
Sochan is obviously becoming a good player and he's only 21 years old.
He's years away from his prime.
The counting stats look good, the advanced stats say he's a good player, and he is even passing me eye test more often than not.
misleading. he's shooting 24.5% from outside of 5 feet. that is in atrocious. it isn't just his outside shooting that sucks, it is all his shooting besides dunks/layups/putbacks.
Find me a quote about saying you said Sochan's defense is bad.
My fault, I kept forgetting you are re ed. Generally speaking, stats is a tool and cannot be stupid itself, but when people say stats are stupid, it means that stats are providing the wrong results, I didn't realize you would think otherwise and require some sort of explanation as if it's an insight, but again, you are re ed.. The point is that you are amazing in that you are saying it's wrong, without ANY backup or how it was wrong. As always, you can't back your up.
Varies from game to game? In 13 games this year, he had, statistically speaking under Game Score, one bad game, and 9 games over 10. You take out the highest and the lowest, and he hovers around a gamescore of around 8 and 18, that's pretty consistent. To put it in perspective, Wemby hovers between 7 and 40. CP3, a vet hovers between 4 and 20. But, oh wait, the stats don't match with your eye test so they must be wrong.
Hey, what do we see here? You making up again! Sochan most definitely has to improve his shooting, I actually wrote a post not long ago saying that his shooting is worse this year not just because the percentages are down, but also his reluctance in shooting is really killing the spacing.
Sochan, based on advanced stats, is 70th percentile in ball handling (that is as a PF, so it goes up against guards and wings), 62nd percentile in assist% (again, includes guards and wings), is a lockdown defender which requires high IQ. I am not sure how you came up with poise, but oh yeah, you said it so it must be right.
You've been repeating the same for over a year, and there is absolute no backup at all. Last year you were crapping Sochan on this defence as well btw, quoting stats about his defensive rating without taking into consideration how he was put on the other team's best player, so you are really the expert in misinterpreting stats and don't know what you are talking about.
BTW, tell us again how stats should be used again? That was gold.
I don't really get this part, is this supposed to be an insult? Like really, how badly do you want to tell the world you are actually re ed?
I did feed your insanity, didn't I?
My bad
its not misleading. i literally pointed out that he's shooting 74% within 3 feet, so that means his 2PA beyond 3 feet are lower than the 58% average. that's the opposite of misleading.
with that said, 74% within 3 feet is much higher than either of his first 2 years. if he's gotten more effective at converting short area, contested shots over bigs, then that can become a more heavily emphasized part of his game instead of pretending he's a perimeter player
ive said in a few different posts/threads that he's basically a center on offense and a wing on defense
Sochan don't need to score, to be effective and useful
He's also played limited games. I expect his numbers to start to decrease in his overall 2p% but go slightly up in his 3p%. No way he maintains his current 2p% pace.
We've already had two years of his stats and both years are similar. I expect his numbers to start to come back to his previous two year stats.
Yes he needs to score as he isn't the lock down defender many on this board claim he is.
Sochan is nothing more than a role player thrust into a starting role on a non playoff team that is still lacking in talent.
rascal thinks Shaedon Sharpe is a good basketball player.
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