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They will tank regardless. Gravity will take over soon.
Spurs should not help Chicago tank
They will tank regardless. Gravity will take over soon.
People keep saying that,but we’re 1/3 into the Spurs/NBA season after tonight’s game, and if no one takes Lavine and Vooch off their hands, they WILL be in the playin in the East. Neither one is worth their contracts, so they’ll be tough to shed in the 2nd apron era. They might be able to shed Vooch next summer as an ending contract, but they’re probably stuck with Lavine.
I would love to trade a few of our excess picks for an elite defensive player (Herb Jones) on our roster that we haven't had since the nephew. It can be done without losing any player assets on roster now.
Supposedly, he’s not on the trade list, just BI, Zion, and McCollum.
he's the one I want (Herb) they can keep those three
Herb and Trey Murphy III are the players to want from NOP, they are also the players that NOP wants to keep. Will be costly.
Am I crazy to think that Herb kind of wouldn't fit with our roster?
He's one of the best defenders in the league, but if we plan on keeping and starting both Castle and Jeremy, our offense would be really lacking.
Herb is more or less Champagnie on offense.
Carer 36% shooter on 2.8 attempts. His best season was 41%, but on just 3.6 attempts.
10/4/2 career averages.
Amazing role player, but has no self-creation whatsoever.
If we're going with Castle/Devin/?/Jeremy/Wemby lineup for the future, we need some serious firepower at ? forward position. Whether it be a SF or preferrably a Markkanen type player. (yeah, I can't let it go)
If we replace Devin with let's say Fox and decide to go with two playmakers route, then Herb would fit way better. But if Castle/Devin is our guard duo, we'll need more creation. Unless Wemby actually becomes a 7'4 KD.
Don't disagree, other than to say that I'm not ready to write Devin and Jeremy into the future starting 5 in permanent marker just yet. Wemby is obviously etched in stone, Castle is trending towards permanent marker status, but Devin and Jeremy I've still only got penciled in. They are the core only until someone better comes along.
That doesn't directly address your point about Herb (which is a good one), other than to say that I don't evaluate players based on how they fit with Devin or Jeremy (and part of that is because I think Jeremy can be a very versatile role player as a starter or off the bench).
Lastly, my Herb/Trey comment was more generally speaking, not necessarily for the Spurs. For the Spurs, Trey is definitely the guy I'd want. He's your Lauri type, who is still only 24, on the ascent, and on a screaming bargain of a contract (4/112 kicks in NEXT season)
If MPJ is on the block, Spurs should be all over this. He‘s also the type of player who‘s numbers should go up significantly if you give him more usage
i mean yeah MPJ sounds great but why on earth would denver want the guys we'd have to send back to make the salaries work?
We'd obviously have to add a pick or two.
If Nets get MPJ for Cam+DFS they will have no interest in keeping him.
If Bulls trade Lavine for MPJ, we can give them their pick back.
Would almost certainly have to be a 3-team trade. But the idea of Denver trading for and actually trying to play Keldon, Zollins and Branham in a meaningful game is hilarious. Like an SNL skit.
Tbh, they're playing Peyton Watson and Julian Strawther more than 20 minutes per game.
Saric and Deandre are their backup bigs.
Take out Jokic and Wemby, it's actually a 7 game series between these two teams.
Battle of the terrible benches.
Watson - 34th percentile in CraftedPlusMinus (but a good defender, 72nd percentile in CDPM)
Strawther - 5th percentile in CPM (almost Branham level bad 17th percentile COPM and 15th percentile CDPM)
Saric - 15th percentile in CPM
Jordan - 4th percentile in CPM
vs
Keldon - 11th percentile CPM
Zollins - 37th percentile in CPM
Branham - 1st percentile in CPM
A seven-game 3on3 series between these guys might kill the NBA
We have no one that Denver wants unfortunately. Which is why I didn't really take seriously the MPJ option in Scott's thread trade idea.
While we can, imagine this SL though:
Castle, Dev, MPJ, Sochan, Wemby. 2 bucket getters and 2 slashers surrounding Wemby.
The problem with MPJ type of player, is he kinda the third best player in a championship team. Vassell is also of that ilk. Spurs really need to find that number 2. But again, Vic might be so good that we just need number 3s.
To get off the second apron and give themselves some cap, roster, and trade flexibility. Right now, they can’t take back a single dollar more than they send out in trade. They also can’t aggregate any salaries in a trade.
If they keep those two it is going to be a battle between the Pacers, Pistons, and Bulls for the 9th, 10th, and 11th position.
Last edited by BackHome; 12-20-2024 at 12:25 AM.
Having some fun... yes, I know this is pretty unrealistic. It says failed, but Spotrac's trade machine says it passes at the deadline (but their screenshot tool doesn't work very well.
I'm a big believer in Trey Murphy III... NOP has said he, Herb and Missi are "untouchable"... but everyone has their price, and I rule this fantasy kingdom...
- DET gets paid an FRP to facilitate the deal
- WAS takes a flyer on Zion and let's BI player junk ball to try to increase his value this offseason
- Pelicans get rid of Zion and BI, but it costs them one of their Untouchables in Trey, they net 3 FRPs though (as the Spurs I'm willing to add one or even two more if necessary)
- Spurs get a legit backup big, a promising wing in the exact archetype they need (who I believe has upside to be a star), and some bench shooting
^ wow the Wizards make out like bandits. Ingram and Zion for trash, nice!
While I obviously recognize the above is fan fiction, I don't think that is all that unrealistic of value for Zion and BI. Zion is nothing more than a reclamation project at this point and NOP might be looking at just straight up waiving him this summer. WAS is actually one of the best places for him to try and resurrect his career because they can afford to be patient, but I'm sure Zion would hate it.
BI on the other hand is strictly a temporary landing spot until he hits FA this summer. The bigger benefit for WAS might be being able to get something back in a S&T for him in the summer. WAS gives up one valuable unprotected pick, Jonas and Kuzma (who in theory should have some positive value to someone... maybe?). I think this is pretty this is pretty fair from their POV.
I love the creativity here, Scott!
We would very likely win a play-in with that squad if it gels. Might make the playoffs outright if it really clicks. Spurs probably will not mess with chemistry and fueling the fear factor of trades to this developing young team. TMIII is about perfect for our needs and timeline. He's at the top of my wish list, much more than Cam Johnson, who's not too shabby. Valanciunas for 3 years feels kind of iffy. I will say, seeing that dude play in-person, he is huge. Legit 3 feet+ wide and strong as . Might actually be able to play with Wemby sparingly. The offensive/defensive versatility with this team would be pretty amazing.
I like that trade for the Spurs. Murphy III would be a great addition.
Do you think that the Spurs could simply do: Keldon +Barnes + Collins+pick for Zion + Murphy?
They have to take the bloated contract of Zion but if they are lucky, they can make something out of him, the Spurs know how to handle minutes, and they get their SF for years to come.
NO gets rid of Zion, get two expiring contracts plus Keldon for one more year on a friendly contract and picks to start rebuilding.
NOP has started that Murphy (along with Herb and Missi) are "Untouchable". It would take a grandfather offer to pry Trey away from NOP, they aren't going to give him to us for that. Zion isn't really a huge positive asset for them, but he's also not a negative since his contract will become non-guaranteed and they can just simply waive him this offseason. For this reason, and because of the "upside", he's probably a positive asset (though not a huge one). He might be able to yield them one FRP, but at a minimum a handful of SRPs or a useful young player back.
My idea is really highly unrealistic... we might have to actually add two more FRPs to what I posted to turn it into reality.
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