Spurs trade ideas

[Frenchfred]

NOP has started that Murphy (along with Herb and Missi) are "Untouchable". It would take a grandfather offer to pry Trey away from NOP, they aren't going to give him to us for that. Zion isn't really a huge positive asset for them, but he's also not a negative since his contract will become non-guaranteed and they can just simply waive him this offseason. For this reason, and because of the "upside", he's probably a positive asset (though not a huge one). He might be able to yield them one FRP, but at a minimum a handful of SRPs or a useful young player back.

My idea is really highly unrealistic... we might have to actually add two more FRPs to what I posted to turn it into reality.

EDIT

Just read about Zion's contract clause; I agree with you he is a positive. Many teams would risk a FRP for him, I know I would

[tbdog]

EDIT

Just read about Zion's contract clause; I agree with you he is a positive. Many teams would risk a FRP for him, I know I would

Looking around, I see Lakers.. Kings, and Atlanta, might be interested. Unsure about pacers, Hornets, raptors, Bulls. Not many west teams, maybe Clippers might be interested.

[baseline bum]

Would love to see the Spurs be buyers and send the lesser of the Spurs/Hawks 2025 + the two Hornets seconds + Collins for Cam Johnson

[baseline bum]

I'm a big believer in Trey Murphy III

JFC I hope so if you're giving away three firsts for him

[Dejounte]

Praying for Jimmy Butler tbh

[Bruno]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/601...ade-nba-spurs/

Meanwhile, rival executives are monitoring the Fox situation closely and league sources say one team in particular — the San Antonio Spurs — is positioning itself to pursue the Houston native as a possible partner for Victor Wembanyama, should Fox become available. Barring a significant Kings turnaround, others are surely close behind.

[LeBowen]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/601...ade-nba-spurs/

I'll speak it into existance much like Barnes.

[scott]

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[Davidicus]

His wife is from SA

[scott]

JFC I hope so if you're giving away three firsts for him

A pick that will end up probably 16-18 (ATL25), a pick that may never convey (CHI25) and a pick that should be in the late 20s (SA27).

Would do it in a heartbeat.

[itzsoweezee]

Fox to San Antonio would be perfect.

Trading for Jimmy Butler, however, would be just straight garbage. The guy hardly plays, his stats are very pedestrian, he’s old as , and he wants a huge contract extension. No thanks!

[LeBowen]

If we're actually serious about getting Fox, I just don't see a way to keep Devin.
Not because of Kings' demands, but roster construction and cap situation.

As for Fox, while he's worth his current max, would he be worth a 30% max on our roster?

[scott]

If we're actually serious about getting Fox, I just don't see a way to keep Devin.
Not because of Kings' demands, but roster construction and cap situation.

As for Fox, while he's worth his current max, would he be worth a 30% max on our roster?

Its a yes for me, dawg

[LeBowen]

Its a yes for me, dawg

Actually he'd be eligible for a supermax only if he makes all-NBA this season, which doesn't look likely since Kings are garbage.

I wouldn't offer more than Devin+Tre and 3 FRPs. If they want '26 or '27 Hawks picks, then just those two.

[Dejounte]

Fox is my favorite pg in the league. That would be a dream come true. Trade Vassell for him tbh

[scott]

Actually he'd be eligible for a supermax only if he makes all-NBA this season, which doesn't look likely since Kings are garbage.

I wouldn't offer more than Devin+Tre and 3 FRPs. If they want '26 or '27 Hawks picks, then just those two.

Max will still be 30% of the cap. His supermax would be 35%.

But, I'm in at 30%

[baseline bum]

A pick that will end up probably 16-18 (ATL25), a pick that may never convey (CHI25) and a pick that should be in the late 20s (SA27).

Would do it in a heartbeat.

At least protect the picks or make them the lesser of Spurs/Hawks in 25 and 27 so you're not giving away a top 4 pick if say Trae Young gets injured this year and the Hawks crash and burn or Wemby gets hurt in 26-27. Two unprotected firsts and a lightly protected Chicago first for a role player is nuts.

[scott]

Fox for Vassell is an easy trade, IMO. Castle can easily slide into that SG role (harkening back to Dejounte's Two PG At the Time Time thread), and Fox is better both as a scorer and a defender compared to Devin. Fox ranks 96th percentile in CraftedOPM and 59th percentile in CraftedDPM. He's 94th percentile in CPM (the overall ranking). Compare that to Devin, who's 70th percentile in COPM, 13th percentile in CDPM and 36th percentile CPM.

We would lose shooting, however, Devin is an 87th percentile shooter gauged by CraftedNBA's ShootingQuality index, compared to 53rd percentile for Fox. We would need to really have a deadeye (no disrespect to Champ) at SF, and honestly Jeremy might need to be a bench player as someone like Barnes is a better fit (which also means you'd need to find another Barnes as Harrison ages)

[scott]

At least protect the picks or make them the lesser of Spurs/Hawks in 25 and 27 so you're not giving away a top 4 pick if say Trae Young gets injured this year and the Hawks crash and burn or Wemby gets hurt in 26-27. Two unprotected firsts and a lightly protected Chicago first for a role player is nuts.

Trey Murphy III is not a role player (he's a better player than Devin, for example, and on a better contract extension that hasn't even kicked in yet), and as it stands NOP is probably saying no (it would require even more picks).

NOP isn't doing this deal either way, so it's not worth wasting too much brainpower on, but we aren't going to get good talent by sending out protected picks.

[baseline bum]

Fox for Vassell is an easy trade, IMO. Castle can easily slide into that SG role (harkening back to Dejounte's Two PG At the Time Time thread), and Fox is better both as a scorer and a defender compared to Devin. Fox ranks 96th percentile in CraftedOPM and 59th percentile in CraftedDPM. He's 94th percentile in CPM (the overall ranking). Compare that to Devin, who's 70th percentile in COPM, 13th percentile in CDPM and 36th percentile CPM.

We would lose shooting, however, Devin is an 87th percentile shooter gauged by CraftedNBA's ShootingQuality index, compared to 53rd percentile for Fox. We would need to really have a deadeye (no disrespect to Champ) at SF, and honestly Jeremy might need to be a bench player as someone like Barnes is a better fit (which also means you'd need to find another Barnes as Harrison ages)

If the Spurs could get Fox for Vassell I'm going hard after Cam Johnson to fill out the starting lineup.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Fox for Vassell is an easy trade, IMO. Castle can easily slide into that SG role (harkening back to Dejounte's Two PG At the Time Time thread), and Fox is better both as a scorer and a defender compared to Devin. Fox ranks 96th percentile in CraftedOPM and 59th percentile in CraftedDPM. He's 94th percentile in CPM (the overall ranking). Compare that to Devin, who's 70th percentile in COPM, 13th percentile in CDPM and 36th percentile CPM.

We would lose shooting, however, Devin is an 87th percentile shooter gauged by CraftedNBA's ShootingQuality index, compared to 53rd percentile for Fox. We would need to really have a deadeye (no disrespect to Champ) at SF, and honestly Jeremy might need to be a bench player as someone like Barnes is a better fit (which also means you'd need to find another Barnes as Harrison ages)

Folks forget that Vassel is coming off an injury and is easing into his role since then. Last year, he was in the 75th percentile in EPM on both defense and offense IIRC. I think the Spurs would get a chance to trade for Fox in the offseason rather than at the trade deadline and they should try their best to retain Vassell. Johnson OTOH should be expendable.

[baseline bum]

Trey Murphy III is not a role player (he's a better player than Devin, for example, and on a better contract extension that hasn't even kicked in yet), and as it stands NOP is probably saying no (it would require even more picks).

NOP isn't doing this deal either way, so it's not worth wasting too much brainpower on, but we aren't going to get good talent by sending out protected picks.

Devin's a role player too. I'm not even sold Vassell is better than Champagnie given what a defensive turnstile he is. Murphy doesn't shoot nearly well enough to be worth two unprotected firsts and third lightly protected one.

[LeBowen]

If the Spurs could get Fox for Vassell I'm going hard after Cam Johnson to fill out the starting lineup.

Why not Markkanen?

If we get Fox, we could use a 6th man combo guard who can play with both him and Castle, three man guard rotation would be enough.
Jeremy, Champagnie, one of Cam/MPJ/Markkanen and a rookie for wing rotation.
Valanciunas or a similar reliable backup for Wemby if Bassey doesn't show he can play consistent minutes without fouling out.

If we're going with Fox route, no way Fox/Castle/Jeremy would be able to start together, it would be Champ and a trade acquisition.

[KingKev]

Us making Vassell untouchable is almost as silly as Austin Reeves and Kuminga/Podz being deal breakers lol

[scott]

Folks forget that Vassel is coming off an injury and is easing into his role since then. Last year, he was in the 75th percentile in EPM on both defense and offense IIRC. I think the Spurs would get a chance to trade for Fox in the offseason rather than at the trade deadline and they should try their best to retain Vassell. Johnson OTOH should be expendable.

I don't have a DunksandThrees subscription, but I'm willing to bet that Devin was not 75th percentile in Defensive EPM last year. He's gotten worse on defense every year he's been in the league. EPM tracked pretty closely with CraftedPlusMinus (which we can pull up for free, which is why I use it a lot), which has Devin at a -0.8 last year, which would place him as a below median defensive player (which is supported by every other defensive metric available).

I'd also be very skeptical of the notion that Devin rated out as a 75th percentile Offensive EPM player last year, since his predictive EPM only ranks him as 70th percentile (which lines up with his Crafted OPM).

Also... Devin is always coming off an injury.