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Fox/Castle/Wemby future Big 3.
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"Meanwhile, rival executives are monitoring the Fox situation closely and league sources say one team in particular — the San Antonio Spurs — is positioning itself to pursue the Houston native as a possible partner for Victor Wembanyama, should Fox become available. Barring a significant Kings turnaround, others are surely close behind."
Fox/Castle/Wemby future Big 3.
Worth noting that EPM metrics put Fox at 56th, (Wemby is 7th, CP3 is 52nd)
I think this just just Rich Paul way of trying to get the Kings to do something first. They lose Fox, they are done.
Will be disappointed if this thread isn't 100 pages by Feb 6
Bring him home.
Fox is 95th percentile in O-EPM, 75th percentile in D-EPM and 94th percentile in overall EPM.
What would it take?
At his desired salary? Ain't never going to happen.
So what are the trade (1) at the deadline, and (2) summer?
A 30% max deal seems reasonable for him, especially with 10% compounded bumps to the salary cap every year from the new TV/Streaming deal that ensure the contract becomes cheaper over time relative to the cap even if they give him max raises. For example for a five year deal with a 30% max base salary and max 8% raises (non-compounded) that fifth year would be 24.6% of the cap.
Last edited by baseline bum; 12-21-2024 at 04:18 PM.
For devin vassell and maybe a first or two first rounds.
They’re trying to get off the Huerter deal, so that might be mutually beneficial (we’d need some shooting if Dev is moved).
SAC: Dev; Keldon; protected FRP
SAS: Fox; Huerter
Fox is 95th percentile in O-EPM, 75th percentile in D-EPM and 94th percentile in overall EPM.
Edit: I see where you're getting your stats from. I'm not sure why the stats are different for me
Edit 2: I'm not sure I trust the EPM tab vs this because it's listing players that haven't even played yet this season (Kawhi)
Last edited by CorrectCrusader; 12-21-2024 at 04:37 PM.
Getting rid of Huerter only to add Keldon makes no sense for them, lateral move.
I'd take Huerter and then we can use him in another trade. I'd send Devin+Tre for Fox+Huerter, they'd lower their salaries by $12M and have an extra $9M if they decide to let Tre walk this summer.
I'm not sure, but I think scott wrote Keldon-Cam and Collins-Valanciunas trades would be legal even though we'd be sending out more money than receiving and those would put us at around the same level salary wise.
Kings pick returned and two more FRPs for Fox since we're taking Huerter and Devin is worth at least a couple of pick if you take his contract into account.
FRP and SRPs for Cam, SRPs for Valanciunas.
Thread le should have read “There’s Fox to Spurs buzz.” I’m disappointed.
Dev, Atl 26 swap and Kings 31 pick. Seem like a start point .
Honestly, do you think Fox and Castle will co-exist, let alone CP3 for this season?
I wouldn't trade '26 ATL swap because we'd also be losing our own pick and we'd have none in '26 draft.
We're definitely not drafting two rookies from '25 draft, one of those picks is either going to be traded away or both get consolidated to trade up.
If we get Fox, we'll be projected to make the playoffs, meaning we should be trading SAS '25 and '27 instead of Hawks picks.
We keep flexibility by having a pick each year.
I t hink Devin, Tre, '31 swap returned, '25, '27 SAS for Fox and Huerter would be a fair trade.
They can also have anyone except Castle, Jeremy, Champagnie if they're interested. Or some more SRPs.
Or as one Kings fan wrote, welcome back Harrison Barnes.
Three man guard rotation.
CP3 is at 28, Castle is at 27mpg right now. Leaving us with 41 available guard minutes.
Fox is at 37, but Spurs don't do that, let's say he'd be at 33 with us.
Remaining minutes can go to Champagnie, Champ/Barnes/Jeremy with a point guard and Wemby would work well.
I think one tab builds a projection based on the last two seasons whereas the tab you are looking at is this season (which is probably the right one to look at).
Edit: I see where you're getting your stats from. I'm not sure why the stats are different for me
Edit 2: I'm not sure I trust the EPM tab vs this because it's listing players that haven't even played yet this season (Kawhi)
One of these days I'll just need to suck it up and get a subscription, but I've been liking CraftedNBA's free tools.
Would they even want Devin? If Sac is blowing it up wouldn't they just want more draft capital? I bet we could match salary without Devin. If the Spurs are giving up significant draft capital then I'm not going to send Devin in the trade. Definitely think Fox would be worth getting though.
To make salaries work for Fox and Huerter, Spurs would have to add Branham to Devin and Tre.I wouldn't trade '26 ATL swap because we'd also be losing our own pick and we'd have none in '26 draft.
We're definitely not drafting two rookies from '25 draft, one of those picks is either going to be traded away or both get consolidated to trade up.
If we get Fox, we'll be projected to make the playoffs, meaning we should be trading SAS '25 and '27 instead of Hawks picks.
We keep flexibility by having a pick each year.
I t hink Devin, Tre, '31 swap returned, '25, '27 SAS for Fox and Huerter would be a fair trade.
They can also have anyone except Castle, Jeremy, Champagnie if they're interested. Or some more SRPs.
Or as one Kings fan wrote, welcome back Harrison Barnes.
Three man guard rotation.
CP3 is at 28, Castle is at 27mpg right now. Leaving us with 41 available guard minutes.
Fox is at 37, but Spurs don't do that, let's say he'd be at 33 with us.
Remaining minutes can go to Champagnie, Champ/Barnes/Jeremy with a point guard and Wemby would work well.
In this scenario, SAC would have to waive someone... or they can send us Doug McBuckets under the min play exception
I guess. If the team didn't splurge on Markkanen I don't see them splurging on Fox. They seem averse to bigger contracts on players who may not fit. Fox is a small guard with a high usage of 30% and just turned 27. You might only be getting three years of this level from him, and frankly while it's the right skill set generally for one of our needs, he's not a big game changer.
And he's Klutch and is asking for a supermax. You're not trading for him at his current salary: he wants money and has been very clear about this.
We can’t have too many players who need to get paid. If the call is to move Devin,then we route him to a 3rd team that then sends the draft capital and necessary matching contracts to SAC,who sends Fox here.
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