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Philly got two picks and a swap: an unprotected 2028 Clippers, a protected 2026 OKC, and a 2029 unprotected Clippers pick swap. The only good pick Portland got out of the Milwaukee deal was the 2028 Bucks; the other two were the 14th pick in a weak 2024 draft and Boston's 2029, which they shipped out with Brogdon for Deni Avdija. IDK, Avdija, Ayton, a pick, and two swaps isn't a huge return IMO. Though they are definitely better than what the Spurs got.
Usual suspects against a top 20 player
Not specifically for Fox, but should a good trade target present itself, I'd like the see us trade "the lesser of Spurs/Hawks pick" in '25 and/or '27.... or top4 protected pick (or swap) where it turns into that year's 2nd round if not conveyed (basically pick 5-34) similarly to how our Celtic swap is structured.
I see, thank you.
Fox would be a nice addition as would Markkanen. I'm good with either, but would obviously try to keep Sochan, Castle and Vassell around while making the addition.
That's the thing. Eventually you need to pay Castle and Sochan their dues.
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Dues as in extensions?
Castle's extension won't kick in before 2028, while Jeremy has been playing well, I doubt he's offered more than 20ish a year, no way he gets the Vasell contract. And the cap will keep rising.
We can get Fox and keep Devin, but we'd still be weak at the wings and it would be a questionable fit with Castle who would either be benched long-term or he'd be forced to be a 6'5 SF.
I don't see a way of getting Fox without Devin going the other way, not because of assets because we have plenty of picks, but because it doesn't make sense roster wise.
No way Fox gets traded before the summer, Devin has the rest of the season to prove that he can be a consistent contributor and stay healthy.
Smells like Klutch shenanigans again it was the same last year with Trae.
To me, it's Fox or Castle. If Spurs trade for Fox, it will cost them Castle and 2 or 3 first round picks.
At the end, the deciding factor is how good Spurs think Castle will be in 3 years. If they think he can become an all-star, going after Fox doesn't make a lot of sense.
There is also the 2025 draft with some very intriguing PG prospect that might slide to Spurs/Hawks/Bulls pick.
Id be okay with the Chi and Spurs ‘25 picks and the Spurs ‘27 (or Atlanta 27 if they had to) plus filler. Castle can play the Manu role and facilitate the second unit and occasionally start at SG.
Fox wouldn't be my first pick, but then I think of a team like the Celtics and the multiple PGs they experimented with before finally hitting on a championship back court, so i can kind of see the thinking as a step forward... but Fox really seems to go against what the Spurs have been eyeing in terms of PG profiles in the last half decade, which seems to feature a fascination with size. And my biggest fear for the Spurs going forward is a philosophy that says we have Wemby so we don't have to worry too much about the defensive impactfulness of a couple of other starters. Fox would obviously take a bunch of pressure off of Victor on the offensive end, but overall he's an average efficiency guy, and a completely average three point shooter in addition to be unimpactful on D.
Even though he's listed at 6'3, Fox is clearly taller than Curry for example. And he's got a 6'6.5 wingspan.
He's a solid enough defender, not a negative on that end. You have to keep in mind that it's really difficult to play defense with non-existant rim protection. Some users in here were concerned about Barnes' defense, said he's washed and gets torched easily, but he's been fine because it's way easier to play with Wemby. Same would happen with Fox.And my biggest fear for the Spurs going forward is a philosophy that says we have Wemby so we don't have to worry too much about the defensive impactfulness of a couple of other starters. Fox would obviously take a bunch of pressure off of Victor on the offensive end, but overall he's an average efficiency guy, and a completely average three point shooter in addition to be unimpactful on D.
Our biggest issue right now is lack of self-creation from the perimeter, we don't have a single player who can reliably get to the rim and finish. Fox is one of the best in the league at it. With Wemby's current playstyle, he'd be unstoppable.
He's at 62% in the paint while playing with Sabonis and DDR, get him some actual spacing and he'd be able to replicate Tony's seasons when he led the league in FG% at the rim.
3pt is somewhat of a concern, but mostly because of the quality of shots he takes.
Fox/Champ/Barnes/Wemby with one of Castle or Sochan would be a fine lineup if we talk spacing. We can't really play Castle and Jeremy together even if we get Curry until one of them develops a reliable shot.
Then we'd look to upgrade wings.
Looking around the league there are very few all-stars that could be available in 2025 or 2026, fit the roster, timeline and cap situation. Not to mention that the asking price would be ridiculous if someone like let's say Edwards asks out in 2026 or whatever.
It just comes down to PATFO's wishes. Wemby is already way too good for us to get lottery picks and at that point I'd rather have a compe ive team than treadmill for the rest of Wemby's rookie contract.
If Castle is truly what he's billed to be (bigger Suggs/Jrue with better passing), I'd readily sacrifice Vassell before Castle. The big issue with this team on offense when looking in the future to the playoffs in a couple years is really a lack of advantage creation, especially against a set defense. If you have enough guys who can dribble pass shoot at all five positions, you can probably pass your way to a good shot ala the Celtics. But that really requires a high level of skill at all five positions, and then you're probably sacrificing something on the defensive end. You can find two guys to take the place of Sochan and Champagnie who shoot much better and can attack closeouts and pass well, but then are those guys going to be able to defend and rebound as well to make up for it? As LeBowen has said, you're leaving yourself very vulnerable to apex wings who rule the playoffs.
Neither Vassell or Castle project to be true advantage creators who can attack a set defense and force rotations - I think Castle's going to be awesome but that's not really his game, and Vassell even at his best doesn't have the size and athleticism to scramble a set defense. Of the two, it's probably easier to build a team that makes sense with Castle - get yourself a tall wing shooter (LeBowen has brought up Lauri, MPJ, Cam Johnson all of whom are good options) and you've got a team that makes sense - 1 attacking guard, 1 secondary playmaker, 2 high volume supersized wing shooters, and a mobile center on offense, and 2 excellent perimeter defenders with size and switchability flanking a GOAT level rim protector on defense.
If you keep Vassell, you're really looking for a similarly tall wing but who has secondary playmaking and excellent defense who's at least an "ok" shooter. Almost diet Jayson Tatum, Franz Wagner, maybe Jalen Johnson type guy, which I think is much harder to find.
Ingram 40mln > FoX 50 mln
i don't see the point now
This is probably right. I like the idea of Fox on the Spurs but not at the max he’ll command.
Speaking of 25 pg draft prospects, has Trore been better after a choppy start?
What will Wemby’s next contract look like? Will it be the supermax? Obviously right now we are in a great position with Wemby’s rookie contract. But adding Fox to a max deal will cost us players and the Spurs will avoid that second apron anyway they can
At this point, the only way Wemby doesn't land a Rookie Supermax (30% of the cap) will be if he is hurt, because he's pretty much a shoe-in for All-NBA here on out, in addition to being the heavy favorite for DPOY for the rest of his career.
Fox on a max deal won't cost us players by virtue of his max deal, anymore than any other max player would. At some point, people need to become accustomed to the idea that the Spurs are eventually going to need a roster with another Max-Player next to Wemby, and that is going to be roughly 55-60% of the cap when it happens. This isn't really something to be too concerned over though and is easily manageable. It's when teams start having to juggle two vet Supermax deals plus other big contracts (like the Celtics) or 3 max deals (like the Suns) that things get tricky.
adding fuel to the fire according to realgm wiretap the le says it all
Rich Paul Meets With Kings As De'Aaron Fox's Future Comes Into Question
He hasn't. He has been moved to the bench and has still struggled. To his credit, his last game was good.
To me, the main issue with Traoré right now is that he has played non-stop this year with various teams. He is exhausted both physically and mentally.
So still worth taking a swing on with a late lottery pick?
Why would you expect anything other than consistency on this case? If we don't want Trae Young, it's only logical we don't want Fox either.Usual suspects against a top 20 player
The Spurs are in a position to build an almost perfect team alongside Wemby, why ruin that by rushing things to get extremely flawed, extremely bad defensive players?
I'd honestly go in full meltdown mode if we take a swing on another non-shooting guard in a draft full of wing prospects.
If we're to win next season we can't afford to develop another point guard who's two years away from being two years away.
We're lumping Fox into this category now?
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