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    My question was why Russia has made so many terrorists attacks if they, as you claim, work against their interests.

    I accept your answer saying you have no idea what point you're trying to make, because it doesn't make any sense in light of the sheer volume of terror attacks by Russia.
    Your real point is "whataboutism". You know this. It's why we can't take you seriously.

    Russia may think terrorist attacks advance their interests but that doesn't mean they actually do. Why does this even matter? The terrorist attacks should be condemned no matter who they come from, and regardless of "how many", "why", etc....

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    Your real point is "whataboutism". You know this. It's why we can't take you seriously.

    Russia may think terrorist attacks advance their interests but that doesn't mean they actually do. Why does this even matter? The terrorist attacks should be condemned no matter who they come from, and regardless of "how many", "why", etc....
    Sure, but why does Russia continuously conduct their terrorist attacks?

    It's a valid question since it contradicts your contention they do nothing for them.

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    Sure, but why does Russia continuously conduct their terrorist attacks?

    It's a valid question since it contradicts your contention they do nothing for them.
    That's a question for Russia.

    I don't think it benefits Russia, but clearly Russia does for whatever reason. Russia's belief only truly contradicts me if Russia is right.

    Do you think Russia is right? And if it were, do the "ends always justify the means"? Do they for Ukraine as well?

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    russia pulling out of syria, they going to pull all their resources to fight in ukraine? cause another pullout or loss is going to hurt putins control, then again nobody in russia willing to stand up and topple the clown...

    dunno if this clown is going to drop a nuke in the war of nothing just to save reputation

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    That's a question for Russia.

    I don't think it benefits Russia, but clearly Russia does for whatever reason. Russia's belief only truly contradicts me if Russia is right.
    OK.

    Do you think Russia is right? And if it were, do the "ends always justify the means"? Do they for Ukraine as well?
    I don't think it's necessarily right, but it sure worked for the formation of Israel, for example, and it's difficult to think of our use of nuclear weapons as anything but terror bombing.

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    russia pulling out of syria, they going to pull all their resources to fight in ukraine? cause another pullout or loss is going to hurt putins control, then again nobody in russia willing to stand up and topple the clown...

    dunno if this clown is going to drop a nuke in the war of nothing just to save reputation
    ...we got nary problem with that tact here. The SS has stood down repeatedly in order to topple Trump.

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    Russia terrorizes Ukraine with mass missile, drone attack on Christmas morning

    Russia launched a mass aerial attack against Ukraine on Dec. 25, targeting cities across the country with missiles and drones.

    The northeastern city of Kharkiv was among the hardest hit, coming under "massive rocket fire" from ballistic missiles, according to local authorities. At least six people were injured.

    Explosions were also reported in Dnipro, Kremenchuk, Kryvyi Rih, and the western city of Ivano-Frankivsk.

    Multiple cities in Ukraine imposed emergency blackouts amid the attack.

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    https://kyivindependent.com/russia-t...stmas-morning/

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    https://kyivindependent.com/russia-t...stmas-morning/
    Excellent.

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    It Took Nearly Two Years, But Large Numbers Of German-Made Leopard 1 Tanks Are Finally Arriving In Ukraine

    It took German industry an eyebrow-raising 19 months to refurbish and deliver the first 58 of at least 155 Leopard 1A5 tanks a German-led consortium has pledged to Ukraine. But the three-country consortium—Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium—has apparently resolved parts shortages and is finally picking up the pace.

    Since those first 58 Leopard 1A5s arrived through early September, an additional 45 of the 1980s-vintage tanks have shipped.

    The delivery schedule matters. The four-person Leopard 1A5 is set to become the most numerous Western-made tank in Ukraine, outnumbering the 104 newer German-made Leopard 2s, 80 American-made M-1s and paltry 14 British-made Challenger 2s.

    Moreover, the Ukrainian general staff has already assigned the Challenger 2s, M-1s and Leopard 2s to their respective brigades. The Leopard 1s are the only Western tanks that are available to equip the dozen or so new heavy brigades the Ukrainians have formed in recent months. A Ukrainian mechanized brigade typically has a single tank battalion with 31 tanks.
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    Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’

    Eagle S, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since been detained by Finnish police
    FREE TO READ Finnish coastguard with Eagle S in background after suspected cable sabotage incident Source: Finnish Border Guard / X Finnish coastguard with Eagle S shown in the background after suspected cable sabotage incident.

    RUSSIA-LINKED dark fleet* tanker Eagle S (IMO: 9329760), seized by Finland on December 25 for damaging an undersea cable, had transmitting and receiving devices installed that effectively allowed it to become a “spy ship” for Russia, Lloyd’s List has learnt.

    The hi-tech equipment on board was abnormal for a merchant ship and consumed more power from the ship’s generator, leading to repeated blackouts, a source familiar with the vessel who provided commercial maritime services to it as recently as seven months ago.

    Cook Islands tanker suspected of damaging Estlink 2 cable and possible other damage by police investigating aggravated vandalism on the undersea infrastructure
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    As well as Eagle S, another related tanker from the same ownership cluster, UK-sanctioned Swiftsea Rider (IMO: 9318539), also had similar equipment installed, Lloyd’s List was told.

    Cook Islands-flagged Eagle S and Honduras-flagged Swiftsea Rider are two of 26 elderly Russia-linked tankers with opaque ownership structures connected to three related shipmanagers, including two sanctioned by the UK government 12 months ago for “propping up Putin’s war machine”.
    https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1151955...ying-equipment

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    FULL NATO MEMBER Finland.

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    ...Let us proceed...

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    You gotta love it. When (we) shovel the it's A-OK. When Russia shovels the ...it's beneath contempt.

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    And here all these decades (Since II.) we were led to believe that everyone in Russia lived in one model of "home" aka hovel.

    Just shows ta go ya, little v.

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    Ukraine!

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