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I say none, not sure my vote counts though
and how many picks?
I say none, not sure my vote counts though
Either Cam or HB would be the PF.
Sac would get better offers and Brooklyn would never trade a good player for a scrub plus a Shanghai Sharks level talent.
I don't really think Sochan would be putting up the 19 PER he currently has without Victor feeding him open layups and dunks all night and as much as he has improved it's not going to work with him starting with Castle and Fox long-term. CP3 is a good enough shooter that they wouldn't have to do it this year when he's starting instead of Castle but I figure might as well sell high on Sochan if he's not a long term piece. A Fox trade would definitely require a lot of roster reworking, but major roster overhaul is going to be necessary at some point anyways in the next couple of years to become a high end playoff team.
Quick turnaround for you thereAt the risk of sounding over reactionary… what I saw from Devin tonight against PHI might go a long way at answering some questions for me… I’m not ready to fully trade in my #LauriThread2025 membership for #TeamFox2025 gear… but my needle is pointing ever more slightly towards the Fox camp.
Will have fun posting some Fox trade scenarios a little later after the kids go to bed, which is past midnight for you Texans
I would probably do this trade as much as I'm a fan of Sochan, but it would leave you susceptible to big wings and on the boards. I assume you would probably start Fox/Castle/Champagnie/Johnson/Wembanyama. There are 1-2 guys in the draft this year available mid first who can reproduce a lot of what Sochan brings, so that would take a bit of the sting out of it if you can go get them. My preference is for Porter over Cam Johnson but he's most likely too expensive both from a salary and asset standpoint.
Basically i' am already in 'everything (players + picks) but Wemby/Castle on the table' mode for next offseason. it is gonna really suck when Victor is playing at an MVP level next year but we just don't have the supporting cast to translate that to wins high enough for playoff seed in the cutthroat West..
Porter's back is a ticking time bomb.
Fox is someone I’d want. I would say he is ideal as him with CP3 would be a hard backcourt to play on D, and both need the ball on O.
That said I’d be willing to give uo Vassell, two good picks (not those Charlotte Chicago ones) and as many seconds/malaki/tre/zollins/KJ as they want.
Fox for Vassell will be a major upgrade on both O and D statistically, but the FO would have to do some major changes to the lineups to make things work.
I’d rather have markkenan.
Spurs do need their “SGA” type of trade. I think this is probably the best they can do. Unless you want to sit around waiting for ANT - I’m giving that situation 3 years max. And yes Minny is in that kind of trouble.
Anyway - Kings can have anyone besides Castle (Wemby of course). My guess, Fox ends up in Houston.
As much as I (more and more) want Fox, there isn't a scenario where I send Castle tbh.
Wemby Castle and to a lesser degree Sochan (waiting the end of season to see if he can "mitigate" his limitations) are untouchable.
All the rest can go.
I'd also give up easily the lesser of ATL and our pick next summer, bc this draft doesn't look as good as expected past the lottery...
It is way too early to speculate , the noise is Klutch using SA for leverage to get Fox help at the deadline to earn an All-NBA nod for a supermax extension. I doubt Fox is moved at the deadline, they are more likely to be buyers.
Re Houston, I think that the only way that they beat a Spurs offer that includes Vassell is if they show willingness to include Tari Eason in a trade package. There's no way they're trading Amen Thompson or Sengun. Jalen Green is not going to get it done, and neither is Cam Whitmore or Reed Sheppard as Vassell is a more proven young player than any of those guys.
The tricky part of a Fox trade is that the spurs may be limited in going after other trades since they have to be able to open up max cap room in 2 years to remain a credible threat to sign away Fox as an UFA.
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Also undoubtedly Kings fans and the Kings front office is probably going to try for a Mitc like package - that was Markannen, Sexton, filler, 3 picks, and 2 swaps. But Fox is not as good as Mitc was and the Kings are probably under more pressure to do the trade with the threat of Fox walking. Vassell has about the same value and possibly higher as Lauri's perception at the time before he blew up in Utah. Ideally 2 good picks with two swaps, would be enough to get it done.
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I made the mistake of watching Fox highlights. I normally like to just watch games to get the good bad ugly, but highlights can be helpful to understand whats all in someone’s bag.
And boy does he have a bag. Speed to blow by defenders for easy layups, or drawing contact at the rim to finish on glass against some of the best (AD, Giannis), and more interestingly sometimes the speed to just get to the paint and then finish with some euro dives or post moves, taking his time.
He has a mid range. He can dribble well with both hands. His catch and shoot 3 looks solid and comfortable. Passing is there, including drive to rim and laser out for 3. Of course with a nickname of Swipa, a lot of steals at the point for easy 2s, reminded me of DJM days.
Again, these are highlights, but pairing this kind of talent (at his age) is a no brainer. I like him more than Markannen because of his ability to create.
- Vassell
- whatever Sactown is interested in most, I don’t care - any combo of Tre, KJ, Collins, Barnes, Blake, Branham. I’ll take whatever back to make the salaries work, a flyer on Huerter is a steal imo.
- best of ATL / SA 25.
- ATL 26 swap (this is what tips the scale vs HOU etc offers)
- SA 27
- 20131 cancel
- a bunch of SRPs, who cares
I hope that’s the deal that wins, because it will be a Kings ransom for this guy imo, even if he asks out.
Gotta also give the Spurs 26 pick for Sac to be able to use that swap I think
If all it took was Vassell, Jones and 2FRPs for Fox then you do that trade and don’t look back
Sochan and Champ are actually the two least dependent on Wemby players last year based on on off from pbstat something.
I'd find that really hard to believe for this year though with how many wide open looks at the rim Wemby is getting him.
Call me crazy, but he's the closest thing to Tony we have in the league today with his speed and ease of finishing at the rim.
Way taller and a better defender, too.
Also, noone mentioned it, but he never had a serious injury, played 147/164 games in past two seasons and hasn't missed one this season.
Thinking way to far ahead about the Fox and Castle extensions.
Give Fox a front loaded 5 year 250M deal. If Castle becomes a star and needs big money they can then back load Castle's deal and keep the big three together for as long as possible.
On max deals you can have increases or decreases by 8% year over year so a front loaded Fox deal would look something like:
Year 1: 54M
Year 2: 54M
Year 3: 50M
Year 4: 46M
Year 5: 46M
Spurs need to take advantage of the last year of Wemby's rookie deal and the last two years of Castle's rookie deal.
Nah Fox is a max player and they won't be able to sign him for anything less than max. Max contracts are naturally backloaded since they have max raises. But with 10% annual bumps in the cap thanks to the streaming/TV deal it's not really much of a worry that his contract will blow up; in fact, it'll be cheaper and cheaper relative to the cap every year as long as those 10% bumps keep going, especially considering the raises to the cap are compounded while the raises players get on their contracts are not.
Future cap projections, having two max players won't be an issue because every contender gets over the cap. Third max deal is where things get interesting.
If we get Fox, we'd still have $100M before we hit luxury tax when his and Wemby's max deals kick in.
Thats what gives me the most pause. Do we seriously want to be paying Fox contracts that go into the 70Ms?
If in 26-27 Fox signs a five year max contract with max raises his final year would be $67 million. Sounds like a lot but the cap will be $249 million so it would be 27% of the cap. If he makes an all-NBA team in 25-26 and instead signs a supermax year 5 would be $78.6 million of a $249 million cap, so ~31.5% of the cap. So yes I'm not worried about even paying him nearly $80 million his final year much less $70 million. A 10% annual bump to the cap compounded takes all the sting out of max raises. We're talking linear growth (Fox's contract) vs multiplicative growth (the salary cap). E.g., as the number of years n gets larger the difference between (1+r)^n and 1+r*n gets larger. And to top it off the r in (1+r)^n is 10% (annual salary cap raise) while the r in 1+r*n is 8% (annual max salary raise), so it's really comparing 1.1^n vs 1+0.08*n.
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