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They'd still be good picks if Dyson Daniels didn't turn out to be Scottie Pippen 2.0 defensively. I don't think any of us had that on our bingo card.
I was one of those who thought Devin will take the next step, but I was also one of the rare posters who kept trying to explain that Hawks picks won't be that great simply because they have no incentive to tank and the East is full of garbage teams.
They'd still be good picks if Dyson Daniels didn't turn out to be Scottie Pippen 2.0 defensively. I don't think any of us had that on our bingo card.
People thought we'd be getting top5 picks from the Hawks, but there was no way they miss the play-in.
Just a reminder.Threw a bonus comparison up there, just for fun.
There was a point where he made a conscious to focus on his offensive game at the direct expense of his defensive game. He's in the dog tier of defender, and he's been there for a few seasons - it's not just a matter of rust or overcoming injuries... he just ing sucks on defense.
His jumper looks sweet at times, but he's also wildly inconsistent on offense. You can't have your #2 or #3 be guys who oscillate between 24 pt games and 11 pt games, and that's who Devin is. Completely unreliable.
The front office should be fielding calls on him as we speak. TBH, moving him is even more important that moving Keldon or Collins at this juncture.
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Yeah I have stopped dreaming of having a chance at Harper
BB is right though, if Dyson Daniels wasn't playing like a DPOY candidate (3.2 steals/game), they'd be loosing a lot more games. They managed to trade DJ for what they thought they were getting in the first place while getting some picks back as well... That was a of trade for them.
He's a good player, I have no issue with him.
At the very least…mitch johnson should have continued starting castle and letting vassell be a 6th man …since all vassell cares about is shooting….
castle could have continued his improvement and vassell could have slowly worked himself back into game shape….
but he is horrible right now as a starter playing starter minutes…
I don't think he's untouchable, I do think he's in the not being shopped it had better be a of an offer deal. (this isn't plausible just tossing out a no brainer) For example if the Cavs were all "Oh ,no Donovan Mitc decided he doesn't like snow, We'll give you him for Vessel, Your 2025 first and two seconds, the spurs should say yes. Basically if the offer is an all star guard under 30 the spurs say yes unless the add in is stupid. The Vassell isn't untouchable but he's not to be shopped.
He's quite literally been a below-median NBA player in LEBRON every year of his career other than his sop re season. It'd be one thing if it was still on his rookie deal, or the trajectory is upward, but neither are the case. This doesn't scream "only for a Godfather deal" to me... but we've also held on to Keldon past his due date and he wasn't the first, so that's kind of our thing.
There was a year (21-22) when Keldon had a consistent (39.8) shot from 3 on just over 5 attempts per game. It was also his 3rd year in the league. He started over 70 games, it looked like he was going to play slightly below average D but was improving (tried but didn't have instincts for it and was a bit undersized), a consistent shooter, and strong rebounder for his position who was getting better. Thing with that was DeRozan was commanding a lot of defensive gravity away from Keldon and Keldon also regressed a bit as a shooter. This year his 3 ball has been horrible. That makes a big difference, he was also asked to carry the offense in 22-23 which made defenses key on him alot harder. If you're another coach and the defensive assignments are to cover D White, DeRozan and Johnson, Keldon is getting the weakest defender. That's not an excuse for his shooting falling off a cliff, (spurs shooting coaching has fallen apart in recent years) but it does contribute.
A third year player putting up nearly 40% on over 5 attempts per game from 3 is a lot different than a guy early in his 6th year not hitting 30% from 3 on just over 3. A big part of it is that the spurs don't really have anyone who commands the defense to collapse. Which means he's not getting a open catch and shoot or catch once bounce and shoot.
If the Spurs could trade Alvin Robertson after a DPOY and back to back years as an allstar starter to improve the team around young DRob they can certainly trade mid-ass Vassell to put a winner around Victor.
Castle has made a big leap, he went from being a + player on a good team in College to being a + player on an ok but growing team in the NBA. Has he made a ton of progress during this season? Sorta, the rest of the NBA is getting their scouting report on him, he's dealing with that and with people taking him serious in their second and third games against him, instead of him just being a rook who probably isn't much. Just standing and looking like a serious NBA player is a big step for a rookie.
Massive disappointment tbh
all his moves look like pre-determined 4 seconds long NBA2k animations as opposed to organic reactions to what the defender is doing
a good shooter on a team that needs shooting but if he’s going to be a poor defender and an inconsistent offensive producer i don’t see the vision.
Definitely but there's a difference between shopping someone and letting people know that you're happy with the guy and not going to move just to make a move.
Ready to cut bait if the opportunity to upgrade arises, and that's maybe sooner than expected. Devin got paid like a second/third banana but he's delivering the output of 6th man (one-dimensional, inconsistent with poor availability). Not gonna cut it.
Like baseline bum said above, the biggest concern is that they wait too long and he torpedoes his trade value like KJ.
Devin is good but for his contract? Not so much.
Castle and Wemby have something going and then they bench Castle cause I get it you gotta play Devin after you paid him but at what cost?
PATFO probably realized that if they want to use Vassell in a trade they might try to raise his value rather than lowering it keeping him on the bench.
You got bradley beal and zach lavine looking much better then vassell.Thats how pathetic vassell has been.People making excuses
for vassell that hes coming from injury.But lavine also had a foot injury surgery ending his season last year.Yet hes looked much
better then vassell.And vassell is alot younger.
Lavine got a training camp and off season. Lavine looks a lot better now than Lavine last season. Vassell is finding his rhythm and legs. Unless there is a set back, he'll hsve a good last third of the season.
Rythm and legs have nothing to do with his atrocious defense and decision making.
I don't even care about his offensive output, but his defense has been just sad to watch. Basic reads have nothing to do with conditioning.
He's like one of those kids in the park who always chases the ball.
This is the other concerning thing.Unless there is a set back, he'll hsve a good last third of the season.
There's always a setback.
Ready to move on from Vassell and Johnson. Wemby needs some real help. This is a top-three lottery team without him.
I think the defensive rule changes quietly rolled out post ASG last year helped. The rest of his number increases can be accounted for by increased minutes and volume, but those steals stick out like a sore thumb.
I think one of the major challenges with Devin on this team is, that no one on the team can really reliably and successfully dribble into the paint, and Devin, though he tries it a lot, isn't very good at it either, possibly really bad, and so this team offense needs to thrive as a team with lots of ball movement and so that's where someone like Julian, even though he doesn't penetrate well, he also doesn't hold on to the ball long at all and so the ball's always moving. It seems like at least to my eye there's better shots available when he's on the court.
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