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You obliterate the context of the argument doing that.
I never said he was the top pick.
You made a comment that "Suddenly a guy who hasn't played a lick of NBA basketball is better than a guy turning into a solid pro."
That can apply to any player coming out of next year's draft.
You obliterate the context of the argument doing that.
I can't even understand what the you're talking about.
I have an idea...
I have an idea...
Honestly, the fact that rascal and Dejounte both think this guy is good is pretty much proof that he's going to be a future superstar. I'm game for having both
I mean,
1) If you think a player has a skillset already on the team and like him, you don't trade away that current player and hope the new player can fill in. That's a bit nuts. You draft him and push the player you have to ensure you're covered.
2) Trading Sochan + a first for Cam is just ridiculously ing nuts. C'mon. Cam Johnson is a 28 year old role player.
I figure that CMB is going no higher than 11th, and is more likely to be after 20th... If we really think CMB is going to be a useful piece (of which I am doubtful), it's very likely we need no trade to get him...
Yeah he will be there for our first pick but maybe not for our second first pick if we keep it.
McNeeley has played better lately. Fit-wise, he is the obvious pick for Spurs
what about kon knueppel...Seen his name metioned with the spurs.
Looking at our first pick I think these will be guys we looking at:
Nolan Traore - He is dropping as others guys like Fears and Philon are rising for PG
McNeeley - We need to have the 10th or 11th pick to draft him his shooting looks sweet and perfect fit and need
Ben Saraf - Not sure about him but he gives us a guard who has nice handles and can do a little bit of everything
Knuppel - He is handling the rock a lot more so he is not set shooting like some other players with higher 3 ball %
I like McNeeley alot. He's 17 on the tankathon board, so he could be there with our pick.
Having a tough time deciding what to make of this draft. I appears to have 4-5 really strong prospects at the top, but not the "generational" talent that it had once billed. At this point, I don't think Flagg is necessarily even as good a prospect as Paolo was, though he's not too far behind. It's certainly not looking like the Bron/Melo/Wade/Bosh draft.
Harper has been very good and there probably deserves to be a little debate over the #1 pick. Bailey has some weaknesses that are coming to the surface, but is still proving very good but not "would be #1 in any other draft" good. Egor and Kasparas have been great. Not sure what to make of VJ. Tre Johnson is impressive. After that... from about 8-15 or so looks like any other draft with some interesting prospects, and then IDK... seems to fall off. That might just be because it's so early in the process though. Looking forward to some of our resident draft gurus going deeper.
Part of the conversation coming down is that the overhyping of prospects as generational. You should have a generational prospect once a generation (If I'm very generous, 1 per position per 15 years ( a decent length / short NBA career), not every draft, so once every 3 years, if I'm really pushing it).
Flagg has been really good still, but he's a A+ defensive PF, and a pretty good offensive player, who might not be an NBA #1 offensively. Harper has been a good power guard, and could be a legit big creator. Kasparas, Egor are also solid bets for that role, which is really valuable. At this point, I think I'd have all 4 of those above the top of the 2024 draft board (For me, Sarr and Shepherd - 1 out of 2, I still think Sarr has a strong case of being the best prospect, but being clear that I can be wrong).
Fears, VJ (Can't shoot, monster defensive metrics and he was good on O in Olympic qualifying), Tre give mid - late lottery guard options, Maluach, Queen, Newell, CMB give a range of big depth who are good and young. Someone will take Ace Bailey high (I'm getting further and further away from interested).
If we don't have lottery luck, and got Fears (too low in mocks at the moment, but probably should be in the 5 - 14 range and might be within reach of our natural pick), Newell (typically mocked around 8 - 12) from our picks now, I'd be ecstatic.
I never bought the Flagg hype, seemed pretty Scoot level, although he's better than Scoot. Right now Harper looks like your #1.
I don't think it's a great draft overall. It's actually looking kinda iffy to me. Better than last year though by a good bit.
I expect conference play to show us more, players rising and so on. The Spurs might have enough to stab down and grab a non Flagg/Harper player they want. Maybe. Or just settle with a role player or two.
Tre Johnson, Egor Demin, Kasparas Jakucionis are the supposedly top 8 or top 10 guys that most interest me right now. For supposed role player types, Kon, Liam for shooters. Derik Queen for a change-of-pace big. The player I might want to watch the most is Fears. I think he gets into top 10 contention easily though. I guess Tre, Fears and Kasparas have pulled me the most but right now no one is that exciting.
In the last 20 years or so, there have been three generational prospects: LeBron, Zion, and Wemby. New Orleans is proof that even if you get one, you’re not guaranteed that they’ll pan out into an all time player.
To many people misuse the term generational prospect, using it any time there is a clear #1 pick.
Spurs aiming for a team UCONN of sorts, kind of like New York Knicks assembling team Nova.
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DONCIC?
Nope. He’s very, very good, and probably should have gone 1st, but you can imagine other players like him coming along. There has never been another LeBron,and there likely will never be another Wemby. They are one of one.
Doncic was by far the best ever European prospect.
Noone else comes close to his teenage achievements in Euroleague.
It's just that he was a skilled prospect and not a freak athlete.
Skilled prospects usually don't develop ahead of the curve.
I never fully bought into the Zion hype. Amazing prospect, but we're still talking about a forward with no jumpshot (other than his debutcagainst the Spurs) and bad defense.
I'd say Oden was a better prospect, dominated college with a broken hand.
I'm pretty sure you're Offender #1 when it comes to hyping up the "generational" talents of Cooper Flagg and Cam Boozer years in advance. Will be hilarious if Dylan Harper and AJ Dybantsa end up going #1 in each.
I think you could say Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, Oden/Durant (More marginal, but both those guys were AWESOME in College), Davis, KAT (I get why not, but the Unicorn big who was a good defensive player in College), Luka(Didn't go first, so not universal, but Euroleague MVP coming in, absolute stud prospect that was obvious at the time and overthought), Zion (Great defensively in College, hasn't translated), Wemby over the last 30 years.
The NBA is moving away from purely being dominated by bigs as there's more and more of a mix of impact from smalls and perimeter play, but that's been harder to scout at the top- short range touch, shooting development, reaction speed, hip flexibility, BB IQ development, screen angles taken and communication with bigs to set...are a lot harder to scout than "that boy big".
You’re dead wrong on Flagg. I’ve never hyped him as generational, and am not sure he’s even the best in this class. I’d probably go Harper if making the decision.
I am on the Cam Boozer train, though. He was beasting on the same compe ion that the Thompsons were barely coasting through. He was 15, and they were 20. He’s not generational,though. His archetype is something like Banchero.
In terms of pre-draft hype, Doncic can't be included in the list with LeBron/AD/Zion/Wemby cause he wasn't the unanimous no-brainer #1 pick. If any of those other four guys had not been picked #1 it would have caused huge waves at the time.
He wasn't an unanimous #1 pick because he was a foreigner and domestic media is full of casuals who don't know about basketball.
A 17 year old being the first option in the clutch on a team full of greats is unheard of.
Since Shaq, Lebron was the only player who deserved more hype than Luka. Then came Wemby.
Anyhow, someone mentioned they want Flagg in NOLA, I want him in Utah just for the mainstream media meltdown when Mormons get to draft the great white hope.
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