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    What makes NBA basketball unwatchable is the terrible officiating. 20 years ago they were the best officials in sports. Now you can't call an out of bounds wrong to avoid calling a foul because they can review it. Then nobody knows what a block or a charge is so a guy can slide under someone going in for a dunk, take contact on his shoulder, fall down and they call it a charge. I'dcoach my guys to stand out there and shoot from 25 feet as well than risk injury from that .

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    Having two technical fouls reversed, on the same play, is a pretty good indicator of the state of NBA officiating these days

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    What makes NBA basketball unwatchable is the terrible officiating. 20 years ago they were the best officials in sports. Now you can't call an out of bounds wrong to avoid calling a foul because they can review it. Then nobody knows what a block or a charge is so a guy can slide under someone going in for a dunk, take contact on his shoulder, fall down and they call it a charge. I'dcoach my guys to stand out there and shoot from 25 feet as well than risk injury from that .
    Yes we all remember the great Bavetta, Tim Donaghy and Danny Crawford

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    either move back the 3pt line another 1metre , if they continue to chuck up 3s which doesnt solve the problem, remove it and have a star 2 metres further back for 3pts...now if they continue to chuck on those star locations?? switch the tv off...
    Just take the 3pt line away. Period

    Scoring in the paint with immediately become the go to move

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    Just take the 3pt line away. Period

    Scoring in the paint with immediately become the go to move
    Scoring in the paint vanishes, as no one cares about guarding shooters, because there is no 50% (3p vs. 2p) penalty for not doing so.

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    Yes we all remember the great Bavetta, Tim Donaghy and Danny Crawford
    All a thousand times better than every official working today.

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    Just take the 3pt line away. Period

    Scoring in the paint with immediately become the go to move
    Not if someone can just stand underneath someone in the air and theatrically fall on the ground and be rewarded with taking a charge. The NBA is encouraging awkward, injury-inducing collisions in the paint and discouraging guys who slash to the rim.

    Make any remotely questionable contact a blocking foul. You'll see inside scoring come back.

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    All a thousand times better than every official working today.
    All the older refs controlled by David Stern, via the referee travel gate scandal. Anyone remember two playoff series against Dallas, and consecutive game ones where the Mavs shot 50 and 49 FTAs?

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    Scoring in the paint vanishes, as no one cares about guarding shooters, because there is no 50% (3p vs. 2p) penalty for not doing so.
    Taking away this "penalty" can change players's behavior imo, Big men game will again be major (fundamentals will come back) and talented shooters will always have the ability to make the diff on the perimeter.


    Not if someone can just stand underneath someone in the air and theatrically fall on the ground and be rewarded with taking a charge. The NBA is encouraging awkward, injury-inducing collisions in the paint and discouraging guys who slash to the rim.

    Make any remotely questionable contact a blocking foul. You'll see inside scoring come back.
    Obviously the way refs call the game will always be the main issue, whatever rule change happens.

    But right now the 3pt has become a way of "cheating" the game and aviding duels and attacking the basket, It makes it easier for more ppl to shine or just play in the NBA. We need to make it difficult again.

    I always take the ex of Malachi Flynn who scored 50pts, (off the bench!) ... and couldn't find a contract last summer.

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    Taking away this "penalty" can change players's behavior imo, Big men game will again be major (fundamentals will come back) and talented shooters will always have the ability to make the diff on the perimeter.




    Obviously the way refs call the game will always be the main issue, whatever rule change happens.

    But right now the 3pt has become a way of "cheating" the game and aviding duels and attacking the basket, It makes it easier for more ppl to shine or just play in the NBA. We need to make it difficult again.

    I always take the ex of Malachi Flynn who scored 50pts, (off the bench!) ... and couldn't find a contract last summer.
    If there is no 50% bonus, there’s zero reason to shoot any shot beyond 15 feet. The percentage of makes is too low. You’d be looking at WWE in the paint, and 70-65 final scores.

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    also,

    I hate false revisionist history.

    If Allen misses the shot, the Spurs rebound and make a free throw and go on to win, the Spurs don't really come close to winning or making the Finals in 2014. The Spurs' 2013 loss was the inspiration for their 2014 revenge tour run. It's likely that Tim Duncan retires as the 5-0 Finals champion and Finals MVP at that point after winning in Miami in 2013, honestly. The Kawhi-led Spurs are still compe ive in the West, but with Duncan done and fulfilled and Parker/Ginobili fulfilled and taking backseat roles after many tough playoff outs before that, it's unlikely the Spurs are good enough to beat OKC, GSW, or even LAC in 2015 or beyond.

    Your 2014 Finals almost certainly ends up being Miami vs. OKC part two, but OKC is slightly worse this time (no Harden) and Miami is ultra pissed over losing close in 2013, so the Heatles likely beat OKC again in 2014 and LeBron stays in Miami for at least another year. The OKC/GSW rivalry still dominates the West after that, but Miami sort of has to rebuild given the decline of Bosh and to an extent Wade, which is hard on their salary cap, so it's possible LeBron and the Heat lose to the Warriors in 2015 in this timeline (remember, OKC went 47-35 but missed the playoffs due to Durant's injury) and perhaps at that point LeBron realizes Miami's supporting cast is too old and injured and he does end up going back to Cleveland, and potentially the actual timeline essentially continues from there.
    No way he retires that early. Tim literally said he was playing until the wheels fall off and that's exactly what he did, playing until his good knee got hurt and made him a shadow of his former self in 2016. I also think LeBron was out of Miami win or lose in 2014, as there is no way he wasn't livid that the Heat amnestied Mike Miller. LeBron took a paycut so they could sign Miller, not to pad Mickey Arison's bank account. LeBron made it very clear in his prime that he was out the door if you weren't 100% committed to putting a contender around him right then.

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    If there is no 50% bonus, there’s zero reason to shoot any shot beyond 15 feet. The percentage of makes is too low. You’d be looking at WWE in the paint, and 70-65 final scores.
    Same reasons there was before the 3pt line, less crowded areas and incentive on talent

    It's not realistic anyways bc the 3pts is entertaining and makes spectacular come backs possible.

    Ultimately it's the way refs call fouls that need to change, they need to start calling travels, carrying and stop calling tic-tac fouls

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    Yes we all remember the great Bavetta, Tim Donaghy and Danny Crawford
    Danny Crawford was great. You’re thinking Joey Crawford.

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    There nba created the environment on purpose because there is a larger pool of 6’7” than there is for 7’ players. The league is a star-driven league and the more stars the more mech it sells. It’s much easier to create an environment where there are a bunch of shooters than there are agile and powerful inside players.

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    No way he retires that early. Tim literally said he was playing until the wheels fall off and that's exactly what he did, playing until his good knee got hurt and made him a shadow of his former self in 2016. I also think LeBron was out of Miami win or lose in 2014, as there is no way he wasn't livid that the Heat amnestied Mike Miller. LeBron took a paycut so they could sign Miller, not to pad Mickey Arison's bank account. LeBron made it very clear in his prime that he was out the door if you weren't 100% committed to putting a contender around him right then.
    Weird how some think an NBA player hopes to ride into the sunset after a ring, like they are ready to quit any day, just need that ring. They will play as long as they can, it's a lot of money and a lot of fun. When most retire all they do is sit around and talk about basketball. If anything the ring fuels them to keep going. I guess Robinson's retirement coming off a championship is viewed as the right way to retire, but I believe he would have gone another year if he could.

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    Weird how some think an NBA player hopes to ride into the sunset after a ring, like they are ready to quit any day, just need that ring. They will play as long as they can, it's a lot of money and a lot of fun. When most retire all they do is sit around and talk about basketball. If anything the ring fuels them to keep going. I guess Robinson's retirement coming off a championship is viewed as the right way to retire, but I believe he would have gone another year if he could.
    Yeah David retired not because of the ring but because of his back. Thankfully he had a pretty healthy run in 02-03 but I remember he had to miss the first two games against LA in the 02 playoffs because he couldn't feel his legs. Like they said in Moneyball, you keep playing the kid's game until you're told you cannot play anymore. I really hope CP3 can avoid knee or hamstring injuries so he can go another year or two because even at 40% of what he was in New Orleans he's still a of a player.

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    Scoring in the paint vanishes, as no one cares about guarding shooters, because there is no 50% (3p vs. 2p) penalty for not doing so.
    Absolutely. It would be atrocious. All spacing would disappear, and defenses would just camp the perimeter of the key. Then we'd need some other new illegal defense rule to try and correct this, and soon enough we'll have something that doesn't even resemble basketball. Veccenie had a good conversation about this the other day and how even removing the corner 3 would destroy spacing.

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    Absolutely. It would be atrocious. All spacing would disappear, and defenses would just camp the perimeter of the key. Then we'd need some other new illegal defense rule to try and correct this, and soon enough we'll have something that doesn't even resemble basketball. Veccenie had a good conversation about this the other day and how even removing the corner 3 would destroy spacing.
    I listened to one pod that said you’d never see another dunk if that happened. Just think about how much more ground defenders cover now, basically because they have to.

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    I listened to one pod that said you’d never see another dunk if that happened. Just think about how much more ground defenders cover now, basically because they have to.
    Vecenie through out a good suggestion... that the NBA needs to widen the court and eliminate the 22' corner 3 that way - you make it 23'9" just like the rest of the line. Not only would it make that shot more difficult, but it would simultaneously improve overall spacing. I like this idea a lot. Stadium owners probably less so (I doubt they're excited to lose a row of expensive seats)

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    Vecenie through out a good suggestion... that the NBA needs to widen the court and eliminate the 22' corner 3 that way - you make it 23'9" just like the rest of the line. Not only would it make that shot more difficult, but it would simultaneously improve overall spacing. I like this idea a lot. Stadium owners probably less so (I doubt they're excited to lose a row of expensive seats)
    That affects Wemby closing 3pt and protecting the rim. Call it bias, but the current system favors Wemby’s skills so why fix??

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    Vecenie through out a good suggestion... that the NBA needs to widen the court and eliminate the 22' corner 3 that way - you make it 23'9" just like the rest of the line. Not only would it make that shot more difficult, but it would simultaneously improve overall spacing. I like this idea a lot. Stadium owners probably less so (I doubt they're excited to lose a row of expensive seats)
    That would make for a lot of tip-toe shots at the corners.
    Sean Elliott! We need help with this one!

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    Vecenie through out a good suggestion... that the NBA needs to widen the court and eliminate the 22' corner 3 that way - you make it 23'9" just like the rest of the line. Not only would it make that shot more difficult, but it would simultaneously improve overall spacing. I like this idea a lot. Stadium owners probably less so (I doubt they're excited to lose a row of expensive seats)
    They'd lose a row of cheap seats. The 1st row would still be the 1st row, and prices would probably change to reflect it all the way up.

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    That affects Wemby closing 3pt and protecting the rim. Call it bias, but the current system favors Wemby’s skills so why fix??
    NBA is just another large corporation. They will do whatever they can to maximize returns. Back in the day they even changed the ball for a bit.

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    They'd lose a row of cheap seats. The 1st row would still be the 1st row, and prices would probably change to reflect it all the way up.
    They'd lose the last row of the lower level before physical concrete structure begins to elevate the seats. Those are still expensive seats. They aren't going to rebuild the entire stadium to accommodate a wider court

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    I had fun watching the NBA this Christmas.

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