President Elect Musk and his VP Vivek have turned MAGA against Indians

[Millennial_Messiah]

Other than the ocassional genius, Jeets are pretty limited in terms of abstract thinking. They're pretty laborious if somebody spoonfeeds them a checklist on exactly what to do, but they'll never innovate sh!t or lead a major project to completion on their own. So you can hand them a low risk Junior level engineering job that pays $60k-$90k and still get ahead by underpaying them since the business impact is relatively low when they inevitably f*ck up, since the token overworked white guy will just clean up their mistakes. If you're a talented white guy who's high up on the chain in an architect or principal level role, you are probably still safe for the most part; but you're always going to feel the target on your back since the higher ups are chomping at the bit to replace you the first chance they can get.

I've seen firsthand, tech companies where the directors take regular/quarterly trips to India to see how quick the offshore team is learning and once they feel they're at a certain level, they layoff the onshore team. The people who are screwed the most tbh are Gen Z. The entry level IT jobs at Fortune 500 are pretty much all going to Jeet at this point anyway. Like baseline bum said, there's less and less Americans caring about STEM degrees because what's the point anymore? We're already oversaturated with H1Bs anyway.

Honestly, apart from wanting to be some kind of doctor or lawyer or similar, there's really no reason to go to college anymore. For programming type jobs they value experience over education anyway and you can generally get an entry level position if you're legtimately good at coding even with just a high school or trade school diploma.

I don't care for Trump, but the way those statements are worded make it so they don't necessarily contradict each other. Ending "abuse" and like the program in general are not contradictions.

Either way he's been coming off as a fake populist who's stabbing his base that got him elected in the back. It's not like Kamala was a better option either so the voters were screwed regardless, but they'd definitely be willing to revert back to a populist middle aged Democrat with actual good campaign ideas that aren't snake oil populism nor outright communist, green new deal type bs etc.

[Mark Celibate]

Honestly, apart from wanting to be some kind of doctor or lawyer or similar, there's really no reason to go to college anymore. For programming type jobs they value experience over education anyway and you can generally get an entry level position if you're legtimately good at coding even with just a high school or trade school diploma.



Either way he's been coming off as a fake populist who's stabbing his base that got him elected in the back. It's not like Kamala was a better option either so the voters were screwed regardless, but they'd definitely be willing to revert back to a populist middle aged Democrat with actual good campaign ideas that aren't snake oil populism nor outright communist, green new deal type bs etc.

The days of coding are over, n1gga. I think the AI craze is overrated, but it does dumb down programming to the point where pretty much anybody can now slap together enough code to produce what they want. If someone is deadset on still doing it though, I'd argue the opposite: only do it if you're going to a top school and your parents are upper class and pay for the education. CS is too oversaturated otherwise.

If you're an average American Joe in his early 20s entering the workforce, I'm not even sure how you make a good living anymore. As I said before, if you don't come from a rich, upper class background and not going to be a doctor/lawyer, the skilled trades are the only thing left that won't get abused by cheap H1Bs. Shaniqua has already taken over the lesser skilled/non-technical/middle management white collar jobs at publicly traded companies so they can keep getting that Blackrock funding.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't care for Trump, but the way those statements are worded make it so they don't necessarily contradict each other. Ending "abuse" and like the program in general are not contradictions.

Trump himself abuses the program.

[DMX7]

Trump himself abuses the program.

The H-1B program? Do you have any numbers to support that? The Trump Organization doesn't strike me as the kind of business that even needs a whole lot of high tech workers.

[Winehole23]

The H-1B program? Do you have any numbers to support that? The Trump Organization doesn't strike me as the kind of business that even needs a whole of high tech workers.

H-2B covers tourism and hospitality I think

[DMX7]

HB-2 covers tourism and hospitality I think

Yeah, I think that one is for low skilled temp workers. I wouldn't question if someone said he abused that one.

[ElNono]

What’s the latest on this, tbh? Last I checked Vivek called Americans dumb and lazy and Musk agreed while adding the MAGA base is also racist. Then Trump bent the knee. Anything else after that?

[ElNono]

The days of coding are over, n1gga. I think the AI craze is overrated, but it does dumb down programming to the point where pretty much anybody can now slap together enough code to produce what they want. If someone is deadset on still doing it though, I'd argue the opposite: only do it if you're going to a top school and your parents are upper class and pay for the education. CS is too oversaturated otherwise.

If you're an average American Joe in his early 20s entering the workforce, I'm not even sure how you make a good living anymore. As I said before, if you don't come from a rich, upper class background and not going to be a doctor/lawyer, the skilled trades are the only thing left that won't get abused by cheap H1Bs. Shaniqua has already taken over the lesser skilled/non-technical/middle management white collar jobs at publicly traded companies so they can keep getting that Blackrock funding.

tbh, there are still certain areas that require top talent. Lots of top tier companies tried the outsourcing fad and are back to having their own teams. Even for menial things like tooling, it’s not worth it to risk a couple hundred million project on language, time and talent gaps.

[ChumpDumper]

HB-2 covers tourism and hospitality I think

Yeah, I think that one is for low skilled temp workers. I wouldn't question if someone said he abused that one.

OK, that one -- though Trump says he has used H-1B specifically. I'll believe he's too stupid to know the difference.

[Winehole23]

why so much foreign talent?

they're easier to rob, for one

the $95 million dollar figure is an estimated annual underpay for a small cohort of overall H-1Bs

Thousands of skilled migrants with H-1B visas working as subcontractors at well-known corporations like Disney, FedEx, Google, and others appear to have been underpaid by at least $95 million. Victims include not only the H-1B workers but also the U.S. workers who are either displaced or whose wages and working conditions degrade when employers are allowed to underpay skilled migrant workers with impunity. The workers in question were employed by HCL Technologies, an India-based IT staffing firm that earned $11 billion in revenue last year. HCL profits by placing workers on temporary H-1B work visas at many top companies. The H-1B statute requires that employers pay their H-1B workers no less than the actual wage paid to their similarly employed U.S. workers. But EPI analysis of an internal HCL do ent, released as part of a whistleblower lawsuit against the firm, shows that large-scale illegal underpayment of H-1B workers is a core part of the firm’s compe ive strategy.

Such abuses are likely widespread among H-1B employers because the Department of Labor (DOL) has done virtually nothing to ensure program integrity by enforcing the wage rules. More broadly, DOL props up the abusive outsourcing business model by treating contractor hires differently than direct hires when enforcing the wage and other provisions in the H-1B statute that are supposed to protect H-1B and U.S. workers. This outsourcing loophole allows firms like HCL and the big tech companies that use outsourcing firms to get around those provisions. Thanks to its failure to enforce the wage laws or close the outsourcing loophole, DOL is in effect subsidizing the offshoring of high-paying U.S. jobs in information technology that once served as a pathway to the middle class

New evidence of widespread wage theft in the H-1B visa program: Corporate do ent reveals how tech firms ignore the law and systematically rob migrant workers | Economic Policy Ins ute

[Mark Celibate]

tbh, there are still certain areas that require top talent. Lots of top tier companies tried the outsourcing fad and are back to having their own teams. Even for menial things like tooling, it’s not worth it to risk a couple hundred million project on language, time and talent gaps.

yeah I don't disagree there...I mainly worry about those who are bright but have no experience fighting against the endless Jeet-spam for most entry level jobs imho.

It shouldn't be the case where the only American who can actually get a decent job in his 20s is upper class Chad, with a 10 inch schlong, who went to Harvard and has a 180 IQ and a double major in Quantum Physics and AI/Robotics

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yeah I don't disagree there...I mainly worry about those who are bright but have no experience fighting against the endless Jeet-spam for most entry level jobs imho.

It shouldn't be the case where the only American who can actually get a decent job in his 20s is upper class Chad, with a 10 inch schlong, who went to Harvard and has a 180 IQ and a double major in Quantum Physics and AI/Robotics

Am I still on the list?

[ElNono]

yeah I don't disagree there...I mainly worry about those who are bright but have no experience fighting against the endless Jeet-spam for most entry level jobs imho.

It shouldn't be the case where the only American who can actually get a decent job in his 20s is upper class Chad, with a 10 inch schlong, who went to Harvard and has a 180 IQ and a double major in Quantum Physics and AI/Robotics

The good thing about tech is that if you like it and have the drive, there’s always new things to learn and get better at. I do know that if you’re middle-low of the pack and have no intentions to get better, you’re going to be on the losing end of the stick. This applies whether you’re American or not, tbh

[Winehole23]

[Winehole23]

with tech companies staffing it this way, it might be foolish to learn how to code

[Mark Celibate]

with tech companies staffing it this way, it might be foolish to learn how to code

now is probably the worst time to get a CS degree, that peaked in the 2010s tbh

[Winehole23]

sure looks like labor arbitrage

[Mark Celibate]

Laugh through the pain. Them H1Bs are kicking conservative white men in the ass right now.

Ironically, I actually think Blacks suffer heavy losses when there's high immigration. They just become another group tbh. Like the China/Indian/Mexican man aren't obsessed with the "magic negro" and don't care about DEI. It's only in populations where whites are >70% that blacks are propped up and worshipped as idols because Der Boomer loves to signal his reverence for black culture