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much talk, but do the Spurs FO ever move? lol
much talk, but do the Spurs FO ever move? lol
The team isn't because it's trash. Move some net negative players for some positive ones and see how that changes.
Moving players like Keldon, Collins and even Tre is a must, not only to have a better team but to help our 4th overall pick develop among a more cohesive unit. Castle went from RoY favourite to not even being an all-rookie after being sent to the bench and having to play alongside those guys.
Another teams young project who is about to sign a rookie extension or recently has and a couple of SRPs tbh.
Exactly how keldon, collins (even sochan and vessel) etc… hurt Victor development last year
The tunnel vision was so hard to watch. It’s crazy how having CP3 on the floor has changed everything.
Those final few weeks of the season when they sat Devin, Jeremy and Keldon should've been eye opening for the front office. But apparently not.
Supposed second, third and best player on the team sat and Spurs still went 4-3 with Wemby and scrubs. Three losses were against Nuggets (5 points), Sixers (OT) and Warriors (4 points) and we also beat the Nuggets.
CP3 and Champagnie are our second and third most reliable players.
Yeah, Devin and Keldon can have better offensive nights, but they can't be relied on.
Jeremy should be the glue guy and primary perimeter defender, instead he's almost tied with our second leading scorer.
You sell high, not low.
Vassell's game isn't the issue, only his fragility is.
Collins Keldon Tre Mamu Bassey Brahman Wesley are.
Branham and Wesley aren't an issue as long as they keep collecting DNPs. They're third stringers on rookie deals.
Yeah, they shouldn't have had their options picked up, but it's not like we'll be lacking cap space if we need to make a big move in the summer.
Mamu also isn't an issue. Minimum contract third stringers who's not playing at all. I'd argue that he's more useful than Keldon.
Tre is an issue because CP3 is way better even at his age and Castle needs to be the development priority.
Mediocre backup at best, undersized playmaker who can't really shoot. Great as an emergency solution, but he shouldn't be regular rotation member.
Collins is an issue cap wise, but as long as he's not playing I'm fine. But he needs to be upgraded to a servicable backup right away.
Right now Keldon is our biggest issue. We saw that we absolutely don't need him while he was injured, there's nothing he provides that others can't, he just takes minutes away from better players.
And he really needs to go.
Devin is an issue because the fragility you mentioned causes him to constantly be out of rythm and peak shape which we can't afford. He's not an elite player even when in peak condition, let alone when he's constantly recovering from something.
I wouldn't dump him, but as soon as there's an opportunity to get a serious upgrade like Fox, he should be the first one who gets moved.
We need so many players for the future and all the "we're in no hurry" talk is getting annoying because we won't change the entire roster in one summer.
If we're talking long-term, this is where we stand right now:
Castle/?
Devin/?
?/Champagnie
?/Jeremy
Wemby/?
And even this is generous. We need to see if Castle can actually develop into a legit starting point guard.
We need to see if Devin can stay healthy and not be a defensive turnstile.
Champagnie is probably the safest bet on the roster after Wemby and he can start until we get a legit forward.
Jeremy can't be the starter long-term with his lack of jumpshot, but he can probably be the fan favorite 6th man who does everything else.
We also need a serious Wemby backup. Not a young player, but someone experienced who will always deliver and won't complain about playing just 10 to 15 minutes in most games.
We'll need 4 to 6 new players, legit players if we're to be a serious playoff team in 25-26 season. Anything less than that would be a huge disservice to Wemby who's clearly going to be a legit MVP candidate from next season onwards.
Yeah, I think many people look at the roster and still hope 65% of it will be there for Wemby's first championship run, but I doubt that's the reality. If you look at past stars like Jordan, Giannis, and Jokic-- guys who were drafted by bad teams-- their teams had almost complete roster turn over before championship runs were plausible... Jokic got Murray in his second year, Giannis had Middleton in his rookie year, and none of Jordan's original teammates won rings with him-- so that's two guys total out of those three franchises. Even Timmy's San Antonio teams changed drastically between the '99 le and the '03 le. Plus as players draft off of Wemby's impact, they'll inevitably get offers in line with someone like Bruce Brown, so that could siphon off more guys in search of extra money and PT. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Wemby's first ring doesn't feature a single teammate from his rookie season, and at most I would bet on 2 or 3 total.
I'm not expecting the whole roster to be elite but when more than half is useless it's an issue.
Brahman and Wesley will still be under contract next season, so unless they're part of a trade they'll be there again... smh
I love Mamu but let's not lie to ourselves, he's made for the euro game at best bc of his lack of athleticism. He's useless vs quality opponents
I don't even value Tre as a "great" option, bc he takes PT away from Castle and never moves the needle anyway. Even in case of injuries, the PG duties can be spread to other backcourt players and Vic who loves it
Why doesn't Sochan have a model and/or player he could compete with? How is he supposed to get better when good or bad he knows he'll play? (I'm sorry but aside of the inflated stats mostly due to being spoon-fed I haven't seen many improvements in his court awareness, poise, decisions, passing etc)
I agree with the rest of your points and will add that my main worry is the coaching position, who's so important for the personality of the team, I'm afraid PATFO will want to keep going with Mitch, which would delay even more the development.
Let's just hope I'm wrong but I don't see at all the changes you expect happening
Not that I would want the Spurs to do it, but it's fun to imagine. Simmons says Zion can only succeed with a good organization. He thinks Miami and San Antonio are the two best landing spots for Zion, and that if the Spurs get him the rest of the league would say "oh ". Start around 1:08:00.
Am I the only one who thinks Zion wasn't actually that good when it comes to actually winning basketball games, even when he was fully healthy?
Yeah, he was borderline unstoppable when attacking the paint, but it's 2025 and he's a non-shooter with awful defense.
Would be useful in a certain role, but he's not a max player with all of his flaws, health aside.
Yeah Zion is a super weird fit. On offense he'd be clogging the lane for Wemby, his best use was as a sort of a point forward but this also clashes with how Wemby operates. On defense it's even worse, because of course you'd have a generational defender drop deep and protect the paint, which would mean having Zion chase perimeter players.
You have to imagine him filling a role unlike what he’s doing now. Like, imagine that Jeremy is outgoing in the trade, and Zion is filling his role in the dunkers spot playing off Wemby. His career 3 mark is also 34.1, pretty close to the league average 34.5-35%. Now imagine that no one is paying attention to him because there’s this guy named Victor on the floor, too. I think that shooting could tick up a point or two.
It’s a fun thought exercise, and I would never even entertain it as that if his contract weren’t fully non guaranteed at this point. There would also have to be some sort of rapprochement with Pop before any deal where the law is laid down, he is told that he is NOT the star here and that his fat ass will be whipped into shape, or else he will be waived and get no more money. I wouldn’t envision him being any kind of long term piece, but it would be an opportunity for him to rehab his image in a very real way.
Meh people don't change. Zion is what he is, a lazy who couldn't give a about winning. Hard pass as anything other than a salary dump. Like if the Spurs could salary dump Zollins and Keldon to NOP and then cut Zion to open up capspace to go after Naz Reid and Caruso in the summer I'd be for it.
Spurs not bringing a personality like Zion around Wemby. You would think these talking heads would learn this stuff.
Yeah I'm not paying him $40+ mil to be a garbage man on offense and a horrible defender.
i mean at the very least, offensively he'd be a roided out sochan.
but yeah, doesnt make the most sense, he's poor defensively, will be extremely expensive and wont have the role to justify it, and frankly just doesnt seem to care about the game all that much
FYI, Caruso extended with OKC for 4/81.
Hear me out... wanna know what would be amazing?
6th Man Zion.
(Not for $40MM/yr tho... and let's be honest, Zion is even less reliable health-wise than Nephew)
If we're talking Pelicans, I'd rather have Ingram than Zion...and I really don't like Ingram.
If I'm the Pelicans (and I actually think NOP is a fun team to play make-believe GM with), I'd look to get rid of both for the max I can get right now. NOP fans I chatted with elsewhere seem to think they'll keep one and only one. They say dumping both is "too much change at once" but I don't understand that logic. They're the worst team in the league - some of that because of bad luck - but the facts are the facts. DJM/Trey/Herb/Missi is a pretty good nucleus to build around. Both Flagg and Harper fit nicely into that core, IMO. Flagg would be a less talented but exponentially more reliable with actual worth ethic version of Zion on offense, who actually brings defense. I hope Flagg lands here for the sake of the league and that team, who's fans deserve better.
I still don't see them getting much for Zion, though "anonymous league sources" seem to think that GM's will pay up for his potential. BI should be able to net them a late FRP from a contender at a minimum. NOP can afford to take back some salary and rent some cap space to get more draft capital if they move both of them.
Yeah NOP deserves Flagg or Harper after the way they have gotten screwed over by both Davis and Zion while making good faith attempts to put winners around them. But can't front, if the Spurs aren't lucking into Flagg, Harper, or Bailey I want them going east. ing west was already difficult enough last year and now we just added two more contenders in Memphis and Houston this season.
Zion is the kind of player I would get in 2K but not in real life.
I think the supposed "oh " reaction by the rest of the league would be that the Spurs must really think they can turn Zion around if they trade for him, which would make the Spurs scary, even though the Spurs probably don't deserve that level of cachet anymore.
The fit would be awkward but his talent level is immense, and high-end talent is something the Spurs sorely lack outside of Wemby.
I'm taking Murphy tbh
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