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    I don't think Castle cares as much about ROY as Spurstalk does.
    That's bull , man.

    He won't be openly voicing it but he does care. If this was a championship level team, then he probably wouldn't care.

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    It is valuable for the team if he gets ROY, too. He looks like he will become a great player, but supposing he tapers off next year, a former ROY has trade value.

    Next time he's on the court, he needs to make sure the ball moves on offense, be judicial and stop himself from simply Keldoning into the paint only to throw up a half-prayer of a shot, and hit a couple of jumpers. If he does this in his next game, he'll be right back in everyone's good graces.

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    Nice game by Stephon! Way to go!

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    I feel better about Castle than I do about every other young player not named Victor.

    I'm pretty sure I feel better about Castle than I did about Kawhi at a similar point his rookie year. I definitely feel better than I did about Dejounte or White.

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    Nice game by Castle tonight with 15 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assists 1 steal, 1 block in 23 mins of play. I hope it continues.

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    I hope Coach Mitch sees the value of having Stephon in the line up

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    Nice game by Castle tonight with 15 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assists 1 steal, 1 block in 23 mins of play. I hope it continues.
    His shooting is ass, and his value as a player is through the roof. Seriously excited to see him progress.

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    I hope Coach Mitch sees the value of having Stephon in the line up
    Mitch only played him more because Sochan was hurt. That's all.

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    That really sucks. DV is in his 5th or 6th year, we know who he is. Same with KJ. Castle has the opportunity to be a star and the best player in his draft class. Theres no reason for DV to get in the way of Castle's progression.

    Hopefully there just taking care of his health and showcasing DV and or KJ for a trade. Castle is clearly part of the future. Vassell and KJ are clearly part of the darkest era in Spurs history.

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    That really sucks. DV is in his 5th or 6th year, we know who he is. Same with KJ. Castle has the opportunity to be a star and the best player in his draft class. Theres no reason for DV to get in the way of Castle's progression.

    Hopefully there just taking care of his health and showcasing DV and or KJ for a trade. Castle is clearly part of the future. Vassell and KJ are clearly part of the darkest era in Spurs history.
    he doesn't, in any way shape or form. Castle lost minutes to tre jones.

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    That really sucks. DV is in his 5th or 6th year, we know who he is. Same with KJ. Castle has the opportunity to be a star and the best player in his draft class. Theres no reason for DV to get in the way of Castle's progression.

    Hopefully there just taking care of his health and showcasing DV and or KJ for a trade. Castle is clearly part of the future. Vassell and KJ are clearly part of the darkest era in Spurs history.
    I would argue Sochan is the one that takes minutes away from Castle, not Vassell. If Sochan is out for a couple of games, watch Stephon start and get his minutes up.

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    he doesn't, in any way shape or form. Castle lost minutes to tre jones.
    Nope. Tre is taking the minutes Wesley was getting when Castle was playing 30 minutes per game.

    It really is Sochan the one that takes minutes away from Castle. They serve the same role: the primary perimeter defender that can't shoot from outside.

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    Nope. Tre is taking the minutes Wesley was getting when Castle was playing 30 minutes per game.

    It really is Sochan the one that takes minutes away from Castle. They serve the same role: the primary perimeter defender that can't shoot from outside.
    Tre is his direct PG minutes compe ion. Neither Tre nor Wesley should be playing unless someone is hurt. They aren’t in the future plans.

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    Tre is his direct PG minutes compe ion. Neither Tre nor Wesley should be playing unless someone is hurt. They aren’t in the future plans.
    Well, that's an entire different argument and I agree with you. But the reality is that in Pop's and Mitch's rotations, it isn't Tre nor Blake the ones that are taking minutes away from Castle. I haven't double checked, but I don't think Castle and Sochan have started together and their shared minutes must be among the fewest within the rotation guys.

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    Well, that's an entire different argument and I agree with you. But the reality is that in Pop's and Mitch's rotations, it isn't Tre nor Blake the ones that are taking minutes away from Castle. I haven't double checked, but I don't think Castle and Sochan have started together and their shared minutes must be among the fewest within the rotation guys.
    Sochan and Castle have shared the court for 168 minutes over 19 games. To your point, the only players he has played less with are: Bassey (132), Tre (129), Bran (118), Blake (64), Mamu (47) and Sidy (6). Unfortunately I don't have a way to check this, but I think as of late Castle has been playing more WITH Tre than with Sochan. It seems obvious to me that Steph is not being used as a PG but rather as a secondary ball handler alongside another PG (he's played 373 minutes across 29 games with CP3 - he's only played more with Barnes, Champ, Keldon and Wemby).

    Of Steph's 802 MP this year, only 247 (31%) have come without one of CP3, Tre or Blake on the court with him. If we include Branham as a PG, as the Spurs sometimes use him, that number drops to 169 minutes (21%).

    An argument can be made that the Spurs run a lot of two PG rotations, which is true, but of CP3's 951 minutes, 79% of them have come with CP3 alone (41.2%) or alongside Castle (37.6%). It's clear to me that Castle is not a PG in the Spurs minds (right now anyway).

    Whether or not this is the position he SHOULD be playing is another matter. Based on how they've tried to push our SG into ballhandling roles frequently (Devin, Branham) - I think the Spurs really value having two ball handling guards, and that could be a major part of the appeal when they selected Castle.

    Edit: in the 169 minutes that Castle has played without CP3, Tre, Blake or Bran, the team has a -16.04 net rating. The pairing of Steph and CP3 has a +6.36 NETRTG and the Steph/Tre combo is +10.26. For those wondering, those CP3/Tre minutes that frustrate everyone actually have a +20.26 NETRTG.

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    I would argue Sochan is the one that takes minutes away from Castle, not Vassell. If Sochan is out for a couple of games, watch Stephon start and get his minutes up.
    It's not one player but 3 one dimensional players (Vassell Tre and Sochan) for diff reasons that take PT away from Castle

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    Castle bumped from the ROY ladder. Not even top 3 now

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    Castle bumped from the ROY ladder. Not even top 3 now
    He hasn't been top ten the entire season.

    https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

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    Unless he starts, he aint getting !

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    Castle bumped from the ROY ladder. Not even top 3 now
    There is no reason why Spurs top rookie and the future, is not average 20+ minutes. Already one of the better POA defender of the team, alone should earn him more minutes.

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    On the Kia NBA rookie ladder that the official NBA page posts on social media he's been #1 since McCain got injured. He fell off the ladder since he got benched by Mitch

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    Right, no point posting a site nba doesn't even use

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    arent those fantasy basketball rankings?

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    arent those fantasy basketball rankings?
    Maybe. Does that make a difference? This is the one I followed for Vic vs Chet last year. I don't really trust the same league that arbitrarily named Jaren Jackson defensive player of the month over Victor.
    Last edited by Obstructed_View; 01-03-2025 at 04:23 PM. Reason: Lol Karen Jackson.

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