De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

You don’t value the unprotected Minny pick higher than Dillingham?

I think the pick is probably worth more but if they’re trying to retool in short order I could understand Sacramento valuing a player over the pick but not sure they would specifically value dillingham higher.

Understandable for King fan who for over 20 years have been sold “this time this Lotto pick will hit!” Totally get why they want players over just picks.

Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

You don’t value the unprotected Minny pick higher than Dillingham?

I think the pick is probably worth more but if they’re trying to retool in short order I could understand Sacramento valuing a player over the pick but not sure they would specifically value dillingham higher.

I definitely think it's dependent on the situation, but I think for most teams the best offer is going to be picks + young, promising player. So while he MIN pick may be worth more than Dillingham (let's just assume it is), the problem is that you run into a point where you still need to add that young, promising player, and having more and more picks doesn't solve that (especially ones that don't come due for 7 years).

If ex is correct (in the trade thread) that the market for Collins and Sexton is SRP's, then I'd rather do something along those lines and save a bigger fish type package until the summer.

Originally Posted by mo7888

If ex is correct (in the trade thread) that the market for Collins and Sexton is SRP's, then I'd rather do something along those lines and save a bigger fish type package until the summer.

If it's for some SRPs, I'm much more interested. Sexton for Keldon shaves off a year of salary, which is a huge W. Sexton is quite literally one of the worst defenders in all of the NBA, so you'd need to be fully prepared to be as equally as pissed off at him as you get by Keldon and Branham

Originally Posted by Sugus

Devin Vassell and some picks for De'Aaron Fox? Every day of the week, baby.

If only the GM who picked Bagley over Doncic was still there

I’d have little problem including Sochan since I suspect he’ll quickly fall into the Dev/KJ category once he starts making 20M per year. Paying players 5M per year with serious limitations doesn’t hurt too much but the moment they start making 20M people change their tune awful quick. It happened to KJ and Dev with Sochan next in line.

Originally Posted by scott

If it's for some SRPs, I'm much more interested. Sexton for Keldon shaves off a year of salary, which is a huge W. Sexton is quite literally one of the worst defenders in all of the NBA, so you'd need to be fully prepared to be as equally as pissed off at him as you get by Keldon and Branham

Wow knew Sexton was bad but didn't realize he was in the 0th percentile defensively on craftednba

Originally Posted by baseline bum

If only the GM who picked Bagley over Doncic was still there

I've learned a lot about the Kangz today. Apparently the owner appointed his daughter to be GM of their G-League team, and she turned around and had a relationship with one of the players.

The incompetence may run deep there.

Originally Posted by scott

I've learned a lot about the Kangz today. Apparently the owner appointed his daughter to be GM of their G-League team, and she turned around and had a relationship with one of the players.

The incompetence may run deep there.

Never change, Kings

Originally Posted by baseline bum

Wow knew Sexton was bad but didn't realize he was in the 0th percentile defensively on craftednba

One of the funnest DARKO charts out there... like an inverted middle finger

Originally Posted by scott

If it's for some SRPs, I'm much more interested. Sexton for Keldon shaves off a year of salary, which is a huge W. Sexton is quite literally one of the worst defenders in all of the NBA, so you'd need to be fully prepared to be as equally as pissed off at him as you get by Keldon and Branham

I'm happily prepared for that eventuality based on what he brings on the other end.

Originally Posted by scott

I've learned a lot about the Kangz today. Apparently the owner appointed his daughter to be GM of their G-League team, and she turned around and had a relationship with one of the players.

The incompetence may run deep there.

Nepo babies abound. Apparently,they’re a trash version of the Buss’s.

Originally Posted by mo7888

If ex is correct (in the trade thread) that the market for Collins and Sexton is SRP's, then I'd rather do something along those lines and save a bigger fish type package until the summer.

I agree. Zach’s contract will be more valuable then as a bonafide expiring anyway.

Meanwhile the structure of Keldons should make it more enticing too. For example, up until this year (when he proved me right!), I always wanted Hunter as a bit of a distressed asset. Hawks were looking to move him hard but weren’t getting takers. Using the Keldon contract could shake loose a player like that with one extra year and an increasing salary etc.

De'Cancer Fox?

^literally the worst basketball channel on YouTube. Has outright made up quotes and such before.

just clickbait and on top off it comes across as a tool/

Originally Posted by scott

Been engaging on the Kings reddit, and man... things are bleak over there. Lots of understandable feelings of dejection, mixed with unrealistic expectations of ROI for Fox. The interest in Vassell is not high, to put it kindly. They want Castle and Sochan, but I don't think this FO would be willing to part with either (not getting into whether they should). I think the actualization of defensive prowess catapults them to the top of the most important players for our team going forward to the FO, and they'd rather just pass on deals than lose those two.

The lack of young, promising players on our roster (we have two: Castle and Sochan. I don't count Vassell or Johnson, guys on their extensions, to be "young" anymore) really hurts our ability to get moves done like these. Not trying to relitigate the Dillingham trade, but having someone you just took #8 overall might help in this scenario, because teams don't seem to want picks alone.

I wouldn't mind trading one of them (or maybe even both), tbh. I like both players but, let's face it, Sochan is never going to shoot it straight, and while Castle I think will develop his shot some, the most likely scenario is that he will forever be a below average shooter. Add another below average shooter in Fox and a potential lineup containing Fox, Castle and Sochan doesn't make much sense.

If we are trading for Fox, the most sound thing would probably be to send one of Sochan or Castle (or both) in ex-change.

Originally Posted by DAF86

I wouldn't mind trading one of them (or maybe even both), tbh. I like both players but, let's face it, Sochan is never going to shoot it straight, and while Castle I think will develop his shot some, the most likely scenario is that he will forever be a below average shooter. Add another below average shooter in Fox and a potential lineup containing Fox, Castle and Sochan doesn't make much sense.

If we are trading for Fox, the most sound thing would probably be to send one of Sochan or Castle (or both) in ex-change.

I can't stomach the thought of trading Castle unless it's for a Tier 1 star like Giannis, Luka, Jokic, SGA, Ant, or Tatum if one of them tried to force his way out, the kind of trade where it's completely obvious you move Castle for. But feels like a less than optimal career trajectory would be Castle developing into a healthy version of Chicago Lonzo Ball while a good but not necessarily best case would be Castle developing into a player like Alvin Robertson. Either way you probably have the kind of guy you need to be able to throw against Luka, Ant, or SGA in a playoff series so you don't get completely skull ed by them.

Originally Posted by baseline bum

I can't stomach the thought of trading Castle unless it's for a Tier 1 star like Giannis, Luka, Jokic, SGA, Ant, or Tatum if one of them tried to force his way out, the kind of trade where it's completely obvious you move Castle for. But feels like a less than optimal career trajectory would be Castle developing into a healthy version of Chicago Lonzo Ball while a good case would be Castle developing into a player like Alvin Robertson. Either way you probably have the kind of guy you need to be able to throw against Luka, Ant, or SGA in a playoff series so you don't get completely skull ed by them.

Chicago Lonzo Ball was a 42% 3pt shooter on over 7 attempts per game. It is highly unlikely Castle ever comes even close to something like that.

Whether Castle becomes an all-star or remains a role player his entire career, I think he will always be a below average 3pt shooter. Sochan the same thing. At some point you gotta analyze if it's worth it to keep both as core guys or move away from one or even both of them.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Chicago Lonzo Ball was a 42% 3pt shooter on over 7 attempts per game. It is highly unlikely Castle ever comes even close to something like that.

Whether Castle becomes an all-star or remains a role player his entire career, I think he will always be a below average 3pt shooter. Sochan the same thing. At some point you gotta analyze if it's worth it to keep both as core guys or move away from one or even both of them.

Lonzo did that in 35 games. His rookie season he was shooting around 30% on 6 attempts. Better than castle but not great at all. Lonzo is a career 36% shooter on 6 attempts a game. If ball can develop into a half decent 3 pt shooter then castle has a chance. He’s half way into his rookie season so I’m not sure why you are so sure castle can’t develop into an average shooter or even above average.

Sochan though ….

Fox is a damn good player. As others have said before in this thread, he might be the best realistic trade target possible. He isn't perfect but no player is.

Saying that, I won't say "Spurs must trade for Fox". There are many ways for Spurs to build their team. Going after Fox is a possibility but there are others like developing Castle into Spurs main primary ballhandler/playmaker. So far Spurs have been very patient in their rebuilding process but it seems to work.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Chicago Lonzo Ball was a 42% 3pt shooter on over 7 attempts per game. It is highly unlikely Castle ever comes even close to something like that.

Whether Castle becomes an all-star or remains a role player his entire career, I think he will always be a below average 3pt shooter. Sochan the same thing. At some point you gotta analyze if it's worth it to keep both as core guys or move away from one or even both of them.

IDK lots of scouts seem to think Castle's form is good and can be developed into a decent jumper the same way was said about Wemby last year when he was shooting 29% from the three for a lot of the season. If he looked like Sochan shooting the three with a ridiculous hitch then I'd be much more willing to move him but that's not the case. Sochan I'm much more ready to move despite the big year three jump he has taken because he will never be a competent shooter. His shot looks like a way worse version of 19 year old Tony Parker's and would have to be created from zero the same way Tony's was without the benefit of having Chip Engelland on the staff.

Mike Brown is a pop disciple; he’ll let Patfo see behind the fox curtain. We don’t need fox at the expense of losing castle in any scenario.

Originally Posted by ambchang

Lonzo did that in 35 games. His rookie season he was shooting around 30% on 6 attempts. Better than castle but not great at all. Lonzo is a career 36% shooter on 6 attempts a game. If ball can develop into a half decent 3 pt shooter then castle has a chance. He’s half way into his rookie season so I’m not sure why you are so sure castle can’t develop into an average shooter or even above average.

Sochan though ….

Lonzo was an elite 3pt shooter in college. Castle wasn't. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Castle jumper ever becoming reliable, it's just all over the place. Best case scenario he becomes a shooter like Dejounte, who's still below average.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Lonzo was an elite 3pt shooter in college. Castle wasn't. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Castle jumper ever becoming reliable, it's just all over the place. Best case scenario he becomes a shooter like Dejounte, who's still below average.

Dejounte didn't even have a jumpshot when he was drafted, was shooting one-handed. Castle is way ahead of him. I'm not saying Castle will become a great shooter, but if he's not a solid one in like 3 years, then there are questions to be asked about our coaching staff. Kind of how Derrick was a career 34% shooter on 3.7 attemps with us, then he suddenly took a leap at 28 after his first summer with the Celtics and is at 39% on 6.3 attempts with them.

Originally Posted by LeBowen

Dejounte didn't even have a jumpshot when he was drafted, was shooting one-handed. Castle is way ahead of him. I'm not saying Castle will become a great shooter, but if he's not a solid one in like 3 years, then there are questions to be asked about our coaching staff. Kind of how Derrick was a career 34% shooter on 3.7 attemps with us, then he suddenly took a leap at 28 after his first summer with the Celtics and is at 39% on 6.3 attempts with them.

Everybody keeps mentioning Castle's form as an atribute that will make him improve over time, but I don't know if that will be the case. In theory, an easily to spot broken jumper should be easier to fix. Like you said, Dejounte used to shoot one handed, Kawhi used to take soccer throw ins. Castle's form has no noticeable hitch but his misses are god awful, they are all over the place. Sometimes short, sometimes long, to either side, airballs. What do you say to Steph to fix his shot?