De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

Originally Posted by Atl Spur

Mike Brown is a pop disciple; he’ll let Patfo see behind the fox curtain. We don’t need fox at the expense of losing castle in any scenario.

this is the funniest part of those idiots firing mike brown from our side. They just gave us a leg up in any trade negotiations.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Everybody keeps mentioning Castle's form as an atribute that will make him improve over time, but I don't know if that will be the case. In theory, an easily to spot broken jumper should be easier to fix. Like you said, Dejounte used to shoot one handed, Kawhi used to take soccer throw ins. Castle's form has no noticeable hitch but his misses are god awful, they are all over the place. Sometimes short, sometimes long, to either side, airballs. What do you say to Steph to fix his shot?

He just needs repe ions and confidence.
First 9 games he was at 12% on 2.7 attempts.
Got his rythm as a starter and shot 33% on 5.3 attempts over 15 games.
Got benched and has been at 12% on 2 attempts over the past 8 games.

I don't think him shooting borderline good in those 15 games as a starter was a coincidence.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Everybody keeps mentioning Castle's form as an atribute that will make him improve over time, but I don't know if that will be the case. In theory, an easily to spot broken jumper should be easier to fix. Like you said, Dejounte used to shoot one handed, Kawhi used to take soccer throw ins. Castle's form has no noticeable hitch but his misses are god awful, they are all over the place. Sometimes short, sometimes long, to either side, airballs. What do you say to Steph to fix his shot?

go the danny green route and stop shooting triples in transition, focus on getting good at catching and shooting with proper body form and release, then focus on step back 3s and other similar opportunities where he can set his feet properly and adjust the strength of the shot as he should. Then and only then he can take transition 3s, heatcheck triples and other stuff that we will probably never get to see.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Lonzo was an elite 3pt shooter in college. Castle wasn't. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Castle jumper ever becoming reliable, it's just all over the place. Best case scenario he becomes a shooter like Dejounte, who's still below average.

Lonzo was shooting that across the head weird shot in college all the way to the first few years of nba. He fixed his completely the last few years.

Really not sure how castles three point shooting is set on stone. Derrick white, Kawhi, Norman Powell, Jerami grant, Tyrese maxey, Jaylen brown, Ant, kemba walker. There are so many players who worked on it and became a good, even great shooter despite being a bad college shooter or even bad nab shooter the first few years of their careers.

Again, not saying castle will magically turn into the next klay Thompson but there still a chance he becomes good. His form is different shot to shot so he has to nail down a consistent form, maintain balance and work on it.

Sochans shot will have to be totally reconstructed. It will take another few years, at the minimum.

Originally Posted by ambchang

Lonzo was shooting that across the head weird shot in college all the way to the first few years of nba. He fixed his completely the last few years.

Really not sure how castles three point shooting is set on stone. Derrick white, Kawhi, Norman Powell, Jerami grant, Tyrese maxey, Jaylen brown, Ant, kemba walker. There are so many players who worked on it and became a good, even great shooter despite being a bad college shooter or even bad nab shooter the first few years of their careers.

Again, not saying castle will magically turn into the next klay Thompson but there still a chance he becomes good. His form is different shot to shot so he has to nail down a consistent form, maintain balance and work on it.

Sochans shot will have to be totally reconstructed. It will take another few years, at the minimum.

I never said Castle's shot won't improve, of course it will. I'm just saying that I don't think it will ever get to league average levels.

And, yeah, there are many bad college shooters that became good NBA ones, but there a lot more than remained bad.

There are different types of bad young shooters. With Wemby everybody could see he would be good with time. Not only his form looked great, he never shy away from taking them. Then you have a case like Kawhi, who clearly fixed his form and became elite overnight. On the other side you have a guy like Sochan, that is easy to see why he's an awful shooter, and then there's Castle, whose from looks good enough, but his misses are consistently awful. You can see from the get go they have no chance of going in. Despite his seemingly OK form, there's something fundamentally broken there. I don't know if it's something technical or just mental, but that's what gives me the impression that he will never get to even a league average level, shooting wise.

Castle is borderline untouchable. What does his shot need? More shots. Time. The dude has such a bright future for us.

Originally Posted by Davidicus

Castle is borderline untouchable. What does his shot need? More shots. Time. The dude has such a bright future for us.

Then Sochan might be the one that needs to go ... OR the coaching staff needs to start playing both together and find a way to make it work between those two, if they really are part of the core moving forward.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Then Sochan might be the one that needs to go ... OR the coaching staff needs to start playing both together and find a way to make it work between those two, if they really are part of the core moving forward.

Sochan is the perfect energy guy for this team and long term he needs to be the 6th man, imo.
The issue is that we got no other defenders with size and we need him to start in most matchups.

Originally Posted by LeBowen

Sochan is the perfect energy guy for this team and long term he needs to be the 6th man, imo.
The issue is that we got no other defenders with size and we need him to start in most matchups.

Somebody is gonna overpay Sochan for him to be a 6th man, imho.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Somebody is gonna overpay Sochan for him to be a 6th man, imho.

I don't think he's worth more than 15 to 20 a year without a jumpshot, even with the rising cap.

Originally Posted by LeBowen

I don't think he's worth more than 15 to 20 a year without a jumpshot, even with the rising cap.

But you just know some franchise with cap space is gonna offer him more and force the Spurs to make a decision to overpay themselves or let him leave.

Originally Posted by DAF86

But you just know some franchise with cap space is gonna offer him more and force the Spurs to make a decision to overpay themselves or let him leave.

I can see him being traded if he doesn't agree to an extension this summer, no point in risking it.

I love the ambiguous “some team” is going to offer Socham a lot of money. No team is going to offer him 30+ million a year. So then it’s like is a team going to offer him $25 million a year? Maybe. Let’s look at the teams though. Nets? I don’t think they’d do it but they’re the only ones I think that could

Also can we hurry and trade Vassell for Fox please

Originally Posted by DAF86

I never said Castle's shot won't improve, of course it will. I'm just saying that I don't think it will ever get to league average levels.

And, yeah, there are many bad college shooters that became good NBA ones, but there a lot more than remained bad.

There are different types of bad young shooters. With Wemby everybody could see he would be good with time. Not only his form looked great, he never shy away from taking them. Then you have a case like Kawhi, who clearly fixed his form and became elite overnight. On the other side you have a guy like Sochan, that is easy to see why he's an awful shooter, and then there's Castle, whose from looks good enough, but his misses are consistently awful. You can see from the get go they have no chance of going in. Despite his seemingly OK form, there's something fundamentally broken there. I don't know if it's something technical or just mental, but that's what gives me the impression that he will never get to even a league average level, shooting wise.

Not saying you said he’s never going to improve, but the point about him having a hard cap ceiling of being below average.

Castles form looks OK at a macro level but I felt his release and how he uses his left hang messes the shot up. There are ways to improve consistency in his shooting and ways to fix wayward shots, and that’s what the shooting coaches are supposed to do. Now whether the spurs have that staff to do the job is another matter.

Agreed that his result’s look bad but it’s still just a few months in his career. He seems intent to improve and appears to have a quiet confidence about his own abilities. We will see.

Sochan though, he really has to redo the entire thing. I’m not sure why three years in and it’s getting worse, not better.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Somebody is gonna overpay Sochan for him to be a 6th man, imho.

nobody gonna overpay for him.The guy is getting worst at shooting.Cant be making the same mistakes over and over
ovepaying players like we did with keldon,collins and now vassell.Nothing more then 20 million a year,Thats his value.

Originally Posted by LeBowen

I don't think he's worth more than 15 to 20 a year without a jumpshot, even with the rising cap.

Originally Posted by DAF86

But you just know some franchise with cap space is gonna offer him more and force the Spurs to make a decision to overpay themselves or let him leave.

Brian Wright: That Franchise is us! 5/150 this summer, here we come!

Originally Posted by scott

Brian Wright: That Franchise is us! 5/150 this summer, here we come!

Lol. Possibly. The agent will look at Devin's contract to start the conversation and proceed to negotiate from there.

Tangent: re: Sochan's crazy shooting form. I think the staff is trying to get him to replicate what seems to work at the free throw line into his jumper? Just guessing. He seems to have a similar weird hitch at the FT line.

Originally Posted by KobesAchilles

I love the ambiguous “some team” is going to offer Socham a lot of money. No team is going to offer him 30+ million a year. So then it’s like is a team going to offer him $25 million a year? Maybe. Let’s look at the teams though. Nets? I don’t think they’d do it but they’re the only ones I think that could

Also can we hurry and trade Vassell for Fox please

Yeah, "some" team. I still don't know who that team will be (most likely the Spurs, tbh), but there will somebody out there. It has always hapened and it will continue to happen. It is how this league works.

Originally Posted by DAF86

Yeah, "some" team. I still don't know who that team will be (most likely the Spurs, tbh), but there will somebody out there. It has always hapened and it will continue to happen. It is how this league works.

the spurs have had a tendency to bid against themselves pretty poorly

Originally Posted by spurraider21

the spurs have had a tendency to bid against themselves pretty poorly

It's as if folks here don't know the history of their own franchise.

There's no way Sochan should get more than Vassel. 25-30 million is too damn much for a guy who can't shoot. He's gotten better, but he's not a must have.

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

There's no way Sochan should get more than Vassel. 25-30 million is too damn much for a guy who can't shoot. He's gotten better, but he's not a must have.

To be fair, there's no way Vassell should be getting what he is... but here we are!

Originally Posted by scott

To be fair, there's no way Vassell should be getting what he is... but here we are!

I'm not going to lie, I'm so damn tired of these "he'll put it together" fundamentally flawed players.
Considering Wemby is already almost on MVP level, we have to ask ourselves is waiting for those players worth it?

As in Devin can become a solid 20-24ppg scorer, but he'll never be Booker. Do we really need to wait a couple more years for him to get there in his 7th season?
And do we have to wait for Jeremy to learn how to shoot the ball? Will he even do it if he hasn't shown any signs of jumpshot improvements in his 3rd season?

Playing inferior players who are suited for their roles and modern NBA has given us better results both last and this season even if those players are worse individually.

I mean that's what rebuilding is. Its drafting a bunch of young dudes who will likely miss but might put it together. The fact that Spurs fans have gotten 3 #1 franchise 7 footers has really spoiled us. More often than not we are going to need to find players like Kawhi, Tony and Manu who put it together on the way to becoming great. Sochan definitely isn't that, and neither is Devin, and while they might both have some value we need to stop paying every player we draft like they are worth it. I honestly don't have a problem with either the Vassel or Keldon extensions because of the context of when they were given but we've entered a new stage in the rebuild where we need to be aa lot more calculated about new contracts and the opportunity cost associated with them.

Originally Posted by scott

To be fair, there's no way Vassell should be getting what he is... but here we are!

Sure, but I'd still argue that Vassel is still worth more than Sochan even with the advanced metrics. Being able to shoot a 3 is a far more desirable skill than anything Sochan provides currently and this is where while I think the advanced metrics are a good measuring stick they aren't useful without the context that making up for a players defensive shortcomings - especially with a player like Wemby - is a lot easier than making up for a players lack of shooting in today's NBA.