De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

[rjv]

the problem with losing devin is that this team is not exactly loaded with scorers so who becomes the 3rd option on this team? i would prefer a scenario where devin is that 3rd option, which is where i think he would do better at. i think it's all a moot point though because the kings are going to ask for way too many 1st rounders. if fox gets traded, it will probably be to the rockets.

[LeBowen]

I mean that's what rebuilding is. Its drafting a bunch of young dudes who will likely miss but might put it together. The fact that Spurs fans have gotten 3 #1 franchise 7 footers has really spoiled us. More often than not we are going to need to find players like Kawhi, Tony and Manu who put it together on the way to becoming great. Sochan definitely isn't that, and neither is Devin, and while they might both have some value we need to stop paying every player we draft like they are worth it. I honestly don't have a problem with either the Vassel or Keldon extensions because of the context of when they were given but we've entered a new stage in the rebuild where we need to be aa lot more calculated about new contracts and the opportunity cost associated with them.

You should print that post out and stick it to Wright's office door, tbh.

As you said, it was logical to take high upside swings while we're tanking, but we got the best prospect ever and he's already delivering.
We simply can't waste any more seasons after this one. From the next season onwards, I'd say that not winning a playoff series equals to a wasted season.
25-26 and 26-27 seasons should be about getting serious playoff experience, making it to the second round and then from 27-28 season every year when we aren't legit, top tier contenders with the best player in the league on the roster would be a massive failure.

We can wait for 2025 draft, but it's not like we're getting a top5 pick barring some more ridiculous lottery luck. I feel like too many Spurs fans are way too confident in their thinking that we'll get another legit starter who will contribute right away in 2025 draft. Probably won't happen. And waiting for the summer when it comes to trades also isn't really a factor, it's not like there are superstars on the verge of leaving their team and could be available next summer.
A lot of people had the same take last summer, let's wait for the season to start, players will be available at the deadline. Now that there are some players available, they'd rather wait for the next summer. The next summer they'll wait for the next deadline and so on.

As for the players we found on the way to becoming great, both Tony and Manu were side projects. Let's get this kid from Europe with a late pick while we compete, maybe they'll work out. Which is fine and which we should keep doing all the time. But we can't rely on those picks to build the team around. They need to be side projects.
Nephew was different because he was brought with a clear purpose. We desperately needed a wing defender and we got one. He was immediately contributing in that role and then developed into something more. Way above the expectations, but that was just a bonus. We can still draft players with upside, but they need to be able to contribute something. As in we can draft a legit 3pt shooter to help in that department right away and then hope he develops into a complete offensive player.

Idk, I'm honestly just frustrated that our second best player is a 39 year old who doesn't even score the ball.

[scott]

Sure, but I'd still argue that Vassel is still worth more than Sochan even with the advanced metrics. Being able to shoot a 3 is a far more desirable skill than anything Sochan provides currently and this is where while I think the advanced metrics are a good measuring stick they aren't useful without the context that making up for a players defensive shortcomings - especially with a player like Wemby - is a lot easier than making up for a players lack of shooting in today's NBA.

No arguments here. I've come around a lot on Jeremy, but I still think something like Keldon's deal (scaled to the new CBA) is appropriate for him.

Devin is just a dude who Spurs fans have overinflated because we've been so desperate for someone to cheer for. The deeper I dig into to him, the most disgusted I become. Like Dejounte has pointed out a few times, you can live with bottom quartile defenders if they are elite offensive players... but Devin isn't even that. He's just above average, but above average has been enough to be a hero around these parts. It's time for us to have higher standards.

[scott]

the problem with losing devin is that this team is not exactly loaded with scorers so who becomes the 3rd option on this team? i would prefer a scenario where devin is that 3rd option, which is where i think he would do better at. i think it's all a moot point though because the kings are going to ask for way too many 1st rounders. if fox gets traded, it will probably be to the rockets.

Great point. In losing Devin you really MUST be bringing back someone who can at least replace, but ideally upgrade, what he provides on the offensive end. Anything short of that there is no point in moving off him. Devin does offer decent floor (as in floor/ceiling, not the court floor) value as a 6th man, even if he'd be an overpaid 6th man.

[MannyIsGod]

the problem with losing devin is that this team is not exactly loaded with scorers so who becomes the 3rd option on this team? i would prefer a scenario where devin is that 3rd option, which is where i think he would do better at. i think it's all a moot point though because the kings are going to ask for way too many 1st rounders. if fox gets traded, it will probably be to the rockets.

This is the exact point I've tried to make before. The Spurs aren't in a position where they can trade off rotation level players for stars and see a gain because of the lack of depth. It doesn't mean they shouldn't do a particular trade, but it does mean that they need to be mindful of their need to build depth.

[LeBowen]

Great point. In losing Devin you really MUST be bringing back someone who can at least replace, but ideally upgrade, what he provides on the offensive end. Anything short of that there is no point in moving off him. Devin does offer decent floor (as in floor/ceiling, not the court floor) value as a 6th man, even if he'd be an overpaid 6th man.

The issue is would he accept a 6th man role?
As you often say, he has the main character syndrome. Would it be beneath him to take a step back?
There are 35 days until the deadline, most teams have a lot of needs and very little assets, hopefully the dominos start to fall soon and we finally get some upgrades.
I'd love to get Fox, but I understand it wouldn't be an easy trade to make.
On the other hand, if we don't get a serious backup big, I'll go back to team Brian Wrong. As I said last summer, he's shown that he's a great salesman, but we're in desperate need of him getting some good deals as a buyer.

[MannyIsGod]

Great point. In losing Devin you really MUST be bringing back someone who can at least replace, but ideally upgrade, what he provides on the offensive end. Anything short of that there is no point in moving off him. Devin does offer decent floor (as in floor/ceiling, not the court floor) value as a 6th man, even if he'd be an overpaid 6th man.

Honestly wish we'd just put him off the bench again and see how he does in that role in an extended fashion. I think Champ benefits from more minutes with Wemby and Devin benefits from more minutes without him so I think its actually win win but here we are. I don't even care about what he's paid because by the time it becomes a factor he's almsot done with the extension. I really do think its largely irrelevant.

[RC_Drunkford]

I totally expect Castle to be a decent 3-point shooter by next season

[SpurSpike]

I'm not saying he will be, but IF Castle is the point guard of the future why would we spend big on Fox especially if he is not a knock down shooter? Seems kinda redundant unless you traded Castle which I don't really want to do yet.

[spurraider21]

I'm not saying he will be, but IF Castle is the point guard of the future why would we spend big on Fox especially if he is not a knock down shooter? Seems kinda redundant unless you traded Castle which I don't really want to do yet.

a) because castle could go out as part of the deal

b) because fox already is an all star/all-nba type player and you dont need projection to get there

you are making a lot of assumptions about how castle's career arc may go, even if we are optimistic right now. theres a world where castle doesnt pan out. there's a world where he becomes a good/solid starter but never quite all star caliber. theres a world where he becomes awesome but not as a pure point guard.

[SpurSpike]

a) Yeah I agree that Castle would likely have to be part of the deal

b) Like Dejounte, Fox only has one all star appearance and he was also an injury replacement just like Dejounte was. Do we want to make our version of the Atlanta DeJounte trade?

Yes you can only speculate on Castles career going forward but we have Chris Paul to bridge that gap and give us time to evaluate.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not saying he will be, but IF Castle is the point guard of the future why would we spend big on Fox especially if he is not a knock down shooter? Seems kinda redundant unless you traded Castle which I don't really want to do yet.

1) I don't see the Spurs splurging on any expensive player. Not right now.

2) I don't see the Spurs splurging on a small, high-usage, volume-shooting guard.

3) If the Spurs haven't gone for Garland or Trae Young or Colin Sexton or any other high-volume, tiny, no-defense guards, why De'Aaron Fox?

4) Wemby turns 21 this weekend. He's freaking not even 21.

5) Look at Lauri Markkanen stats about now. These one-ASG-year, high volume scorers in contract years who never win many games anyway are just not the template you're looking for.

I don't think the Spurs are even thinking twice about Fox.

[scott]

Anyone got access to this? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/603...shared_article

Apparently says Spurs "voice has been the loudest of those expressing interest in Fox"

[scott]

The issue is would he accept a 6th man role?
As you often say, he has the main character syndrome. Would it be beneath him to take a step back?

Yep, that's the million dollar question. Seems like he idolizes Kobe (though I did note he has wearing Book 1s recently whereas I think he used to wear Kobe Vs... which by the way I'll give a personal endorsement to Book 1s as a great every day shoe... I'm wearing a pair today, actually - I have two and will probably pick up a few more colorways) and wants to be "the man" but I don't know the dude. He does speak very well of the staff and his time here in San Antonio so maybe he's more humble than I give him credit for.

[Seventyniner]

Anyone got access to this? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/603...shared_article

Apparently says Spurs "voice has been the loudest of those expressing interest in Fox"

I won't post the whole article, per LJ's request in the past, but here's the Spurs part.

The San Antonio Spurs, Miami Heat and Los Angeles Lakers top the list of teams that are most often discussed as possible Fox landing spots, with others sure to make a run at him if (when?) he’s truly on the market.

The Orlando Magic, for example, are known to be contemplating a pursuit. The Houston Rockets, who want to analyze their current core through this season but could be in the market for another All-Star-caliber player this summer, are also known to be intrigued by the idea of partnering with Fox, who is a Houston native. Make no mistake, though: the Spurs noise is the loudest.

btw for that site and some others, if you're on desktop, if you Ctrl+A then Ctrl+C quickly enough after refreshing you can copy the entire text of the article and paste it into a text editor and read it there.

[scott]

I won't post the whole article, per LJ's request in the past, but here's the Spurs part.



btw for that site and some others, if you're on desktop, if you Ctrl+A then Ctrl+C quickly enough after refreshing you can copy the entire text of the article and paste it into a text editor and read it there.

Thanks buddy. Just did the copy and paste and shocked that is literally all is says about the Spurs. How you gonna make a statement like "the Spurs noise is the loudest" and then not address that comment at all again? LOL

[Seventyniner]

Thanks buddy. Just did the copy and paste and shocked that is literally all is says about the Spurs. How you gonna make a statement like "the Spurs noise is the loudest" and then not address that comment at all again? LOL

It also doesn't say anything about the source of that noise. There are many possible sources, but the only one I would want to know about is the level of the Spurs' interest. If the Spurs are constantly calling the Kings and putting offers on the table it would be way different than having Klutch being the only one talking about SA specifically with the Spurs themselves just staying mum.

[The Truth #6]

Klutch is likely the source, the noise all wrapped in one.

[CGD]

a) Yeah I agree that Castle would likely have to be part of the deal

b) Like Dejounte, Fox only has one all star appearance and he was also an injury replacement just like Dejounte was. Do we want to make our version of the Atlanta DeJounte trade?

Yes you can only speculate on Castles career going forward but we have Chris Paul to bridge that gap and give us time to evaluate.

Nah, I don’t think the spurs want Fox THAT much. He just happens to be available now. I mean obviously you have to put up a decent package, but they’ve consistently told us fans that they won’t rush things. It’s the player that wants out and Sac that is under the gun. Spurs’ leverage is highest this summer.

[The Truth #6]

Has this video analysis already been mentioned:

https://youtu.be/HzY20QJ4rr4?si=rkgJ7ItWNLfIKGTc

[timtonymanu]

a) Yeah I agree that Castle would likely have to be part of the deal

b) Like Dejounte, Fox only has one all star appearance and he was also an injury replacement just like Dejounte was. Do we want to make our version of the Atlanta DeJounte trade?

Yes you can only speculate on Castles career going forward but we have Chris Paul to bridge that gap and give us time to evaluate.

Dejounte does not have the offensive game that Fox does while DJ is a better defender. I don’t think they’re comparable at all

[objective]

1) I don't see the Spurs splurging on any expensive player. Not right now.

2) I don't see the Spurs splurging on a small, high-usage, volume-shooting guard.

3) If the Spurs haven't gone for Garland or Trae Young or Colin Sexton or any other high-volume, tiny, no-defense guards, why De'Aaron Fox?

4) Wemby turns 21 this weekend. He's freaking not even 21.

5) Look at Lauri Markkanen stats about now. These one-ASG-year, high volume scorers in contract years who never win many games anyway are just not the template you're looking for.

I don't think the Spurs are even thinking twice about Fox.

I don't disagree that the Spurs in general may not be looking for a high price player now, and I have never been too high on Makannen

But I don't think agree with calling Fox 'small' or especially 'tiny" and associate him with Young or Garland who both measured 6-0.5 at different events compared to 6-2.0 for Fox size wise. Bigger wignspan also, +3 on Young and + 1.5 on Garland. Size wise he's closer to Derrick White than Young and Garland are to him

High volume shooter? Yes. Tiny? No.

[MannyIsGod]

DJM is not a better defender than Fox.

[tbdog]

I just see Castle as a contributor to a championship team. He might never be as good as Fox. But he'll have such a good career. He does not play as a rookie. I don't see Castle getting added for Fox.

[CGD]

I just see Castle as a contributor to a championship team. He might never be as good as Fox. But he'll have such a good career. He does not play as a rookie. I don't see Castle getting added for Fox.

He’s a winner. Derrick White vibes, but with more physical gifts.