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    Ant has evolved though, out of necessity. with the team's spacing dead after trading KAT for Randle he's had to become the floor spacer himself, as opposed to the beneficiary of spacing provided by KAT
    Ant has been garbage as of late.
    His 3pt shot is looking way better, but everything else just isn't good enough for a supposed superstar.
    He can't deal with double teams at all, his decision making is bad and he thinks his athleticism will bail him out on drives.

    He's at 55% at the rim, just awful for someone with his athleticism. League average is 59%.

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    Ant has evolved though, out of necessity. with the team's spacing dead after trading KAT for Randle he's had to become the floor spacer himself, as opposed to the beneficiary of spacing provided by KAT
    He has evolved to chucking threes I guess but he's also getting double teamed a lot more now and he cannot navigate it at all. He basically admitted that he sucks with double teams after his last game. Which is another reason why he chucks threes so much now because he is too slow to react to the defense and hasn't improved a lot there yet. Luckily for them he's been shooting pretty well at least

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    he's adjusting to getting regularly doubled/swarmed. he'll get there

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    Yep. Losing KAT, as well as Slowmo, and Conley looking beyond cooked this season has really ed them. But the KAT trade was just self inflicted and they compounded the issue but trading him for a ball hog that can't space the floor and is terrible on defense wolves front office is trash. That 20131 pick is gonna be top 5 imho
    It wasn’t a talent for talent trade. They needed to get off Towns contract before it second aproned them. It wouldn’t surprise me if Randle was bought out. DiVincenzo was a good get.

    The bad trade was for Gobert. He’s a one way player with a ton of miles that makes way more than he’s worth. Without him, they could have kept KAT.

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    That's where Divincenzo is going to be money bc in the absence of KAT defenses can focus/swarm Ant and Donte is a sharpshooter that's going to be left wide open. If Ant can learn to pass out of the double he's going to hit an archer.

    But yeah that 2nd apron trade was ass for MIN

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    It wasn’t a talent for talent trade. They needed to get off Towns contract before it second aproned them. It wouldn’t surprise me if Randle was bought out. DiVincenzo was a good get.

    The bad trade was for Gobert. He’s a one way player with a ton of miles that makes way more than he’s worth. Without him, they could have kept KAT.
    their mistake was choosing Gobert over KAT. yes, gobert is an incredible defensive force but he's older and plays a role where its easier to find a replacement.

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    Sorry if this was already shared, but this tweet from Shams is wiiiiiiiiiiiild and I love it



    "Anywhere but here"

    JIMMY BUTLER YOU ARE A TORONTO RAPTOR would be wild and Riley should take back a single SRP just to make it happen.

    Love a good mid-season shakeup.

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    Big blow for the Rockets (also, Houston)

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    Jabari has been really disappointing. he's still an NBA player at least, but not a very high impact one

    i remember when it was being reported orlando was gonna take him #1 overall

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    In response to all of this Jimmy news, here is my trade idea. Jimmy wants "anywhere but Miami" and Pat obliges by sending him to oblivion in return for basically nothing but a bag of middle fingers with which to forward to Mr. Butler. Hope you like Funeral Potatoes, Jimmy! Full disclosure: I have no idea what Funeral Potatoes are, but that's what Google says people in Utah eat.


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    What teams do we think will want JB and what kind of offers?

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    What teams do we think will want JB and what kind of offers?
    A few other folks have commented previously, it's going to be really difficult for anyone to make Jimmy work. GSW can finagle it (but just barely) and might be one of the more likely destination. If they can get Kuminga, Pods and Wiggins back - that might be the best case scenario (with no additional draft compensation either direction).

    Seeing lots of ideas involving DET, but not sure why the Pistons would want to do this.

    I'm sure Heat fans thinks that picks are coming their way, but I don't know why anyone would do that unless they have truly nothing else to offer.

    This is a move I hope we steer very clear of, unless it's to facilitate somehow by including someone like Keldon or Collins and taking back a little bit of excess salary to help the other teams avoid some kind of threshold? I haven't played around with it to see what those scenarios might be... but that's the only way I'd want us to even be anywhere near this mess.

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    i think warriors will try. they tried to S&T for george, tried to trade for Lauri, and they're struggling right now. but the salary matching will be really challenging.

    houston maybe, but they already have a good thing going. why add a character like Butler to a cohesive young group

    i wonder if Beal would prefer miami to phoenix. no trade clause but Beal for Jimmy + Richardson works on its own. they just dont have draft capital to attach

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    A few other folks have commented previously, it's going to be really difficult for anyone to make Jimmy work. GSW can finagle it (but just barely) and might be one of the more likely destination. If they can get Kuminga, Pods and Wiggins back - that might be the best case scenario (with no additional draft compensation either direction).

    Seeing lots of ideas involving DET, but not sure why the Pistons would want to do this.

    I'm sure Heat fans thinks that picks are coming their way, but I don't know why anyone would do that unless they have truly nothing else to offer.

    This is a move I hope we steer very clear of, unless it's to facilitate somehow by including someone like Keldon or Collins and taking back a little bit of excess salary to help the other teams avoid some kind of threshold? I haven't played around with it to see what those scenarios might be... but that's the only way I'd want us to even be anywhere near this mess.
    I'd much rather come in as a 3rd team to get an asset. Personally (and I know many here would hate it) I'd rather wait and hope I could get KD if Phx blows it up. Still, the JB stuff is going to be interesting and could get the ball rolling on other trades because so many GM's are going to be talking about different scenarios around it.

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    i think warriors will try. they tried to S&T for george, tried to trade for Lauri, and they're struggling right now. but the salary matching will be really challenging.

    houston maybe, but they already have a good thing going. why add a character like Butler to a cohesive young group

    i wonder if Beal would prefer miami to phoenix. no trade clause but Beal for Jimmy + Richardson works on its own. they just dont have draft capital to attach
    Van Vleet and Brooks have entered the chat.

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    I still think Butler (among others) will be knocking on Spurs door after this season. It’s the Wemby effect. And on his 3rd year, I think Spurs will be re-tooling crazy.

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    Butler on the Warriors doesn't seem like a fit at all, but I suppose they might be desperate.

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    Butler on the Warriors doesn't seem like a fit at all, but I suppose they might be desperate.
    They traded for Schröder, and he’s a pretty terrible fit, so…

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    I still think Butler (among others) will be knocking on Spurs door after this season. It’s the Wemby effect. And on his 3rd year, I think Spurs will be re-tooling crazy.
    Spurs look through the peep hole, and put the chain lock on.

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    Butler just wants a big contract it sounds like. His age combined with his eagerness to confrontation, seems like a no go for most sane teams with non-moronic owners. But some team will want a quick fix. My only hope is that the Butler trade that happens softens the trade market to the advantage of the Spurs for Fox or whoever else comes next that we could be in the conversation for, but we'll see.

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    They traded for Schröder, and he’s a pretty terrible fit, so…
    Schroeder makes $13 million and is an expiring and can play off the bench. Butler makes $48/$52 million and is a drama queen who needs some building around.

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