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    Hope Paul is not here next year. Need to move forward with the young guys next year. Paul will be 40 next year and is about to go off the cliff.
    Paul’s lack of size and athleticism are glaring against any type of younger star PG, obviously the clock is ticking pretty quickly on him. I like the speedier plan where we try Castle as the starting PG sooner than later. We need to figure out if he can be that for us or we need to target a PG for the future in the draft. Better to know, since we need upgrades at most every other position. Castle being our PG of the future at least narrows down the need list.

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    Castle's outside shot is the only thing keeping him from being a bonafide all-star, tbh. That said, it's a big-time struggle. His misses and makes don't have any rhyme or reason it feels like. Even when he's gotten 5 layups, it doesn't feel like that confidence extends his shot at all like some players. Luckily, he's just a rookie and has years to improve.

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    Hope Paul is not here next year. Need to move forward with the young guys next year. Paul will be 40 next year and is about to go off the cliff.
    you must not watch games to make that statement.Hes maybe our second most important player
    behind wemby this season.

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    you must not watch games to make that statement.Hes maybe our second most important player
    behind wemby this season.
    If the Spurs are relying on 40 year old Paul next year they are in trouble.

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    you must not watch games to make that statement.Hes maybe our second most important player behind wemby this season.
    You are focusing in the now. Sure, Paul is raising our BBIQ importantly from being the dumbest team in the league. Which gets us to a ceiling of being a .500 ball club. So sure, 20 more wins is far from anything to sneeze at. But then he’s 40, then 41. That’s a short window and if the ceiling is .500 that’s meh. We aren’t winning anything important with Paul this season or next. He’s mainly a player coach teaching a very young team not to be idiots. His ceiling is not high enough at the PG position nor horizon to not be thinking about his phase out plan.

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    If the Spurs are relying on 40 year old Paul next year they are in trouble.
    Yeah what he said! Now the jump in wins is also important for Wemby’s morale, we know that.

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    If the Spurs are relying on 40 year old Paul next year they are in trouble.
    alot of us have been saying this.Its not a good look.Castle needs to also prove to be a elite playmaker along
    with improving his shooting.

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    Whether Castle end up as a PG or SG is damn crucial for Spurs whole rebuilding plan. It will change a lot the kind of players Spurs will target.

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    Whether Castle end up as a PG or SG is damn crucial for Spurs whole rebuilding plan. It will change a lot the kind of players Spurs will target.
    we most likely gonna need a pg.Castle cant shoot,And is a above average playmaker.Gotta be great at one of them
    and he is not.

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    Sometime in the second half of the season sounds like the consensus is take the training wheels off Castle and the reduction will be in Paul’s minutes. As Bruno noted, need to know if BPA in draft being a PG makes any sense or not. We can always plan B this such as a trade or free agency, but the market for any experienced PG has been silly lately.

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    I will be so depressed and disappointed next year if both Sochan and Vassell are starting next year. I mean wtf would we even be doing as a franchise if that’s the plan going forward. Sochan is a high energy bench player. He just can’t be used on our team as a starter if we want to win. Vassell is just a brick layer. There’s nothing else to his game.

    If we don’t make a ing trade or swing for a big move this offseason then this team again won’t make the playoffs next year.

    Objectively, the Spurs just standing pat and wasting the first 3 years of Wembys career is just stupid. Spurs fans like to about contracts of other star players, their age, their supposed fit, which player is overpaid and whatever other nonsense. So they’d rather just stand pat instead of taking a risk. But the time to up and go for it is when we have Wemby for 13 million a year. FFS he’s about to cost 50+ million a year going forward. If we pay a Jimmy Butler (not even saying I want him just using him as an example) 50 million this year and next year. We make the playoffs both years and get bounced in the second round both years or even just one year. Does that hurt us at all? What is the risk of even pulling the trigger for that trade?

    If this was a bar, most of Spurstalk would be watching others take home girls while members like Splits would be saying nope elbow too pointy. And just go home alone with a nice bottle of lotion
    nice jab, I did laugh.

    But for the record, I'm all for doing anything to put players around VW and using whatever draft capital necessary to do so. Also, love pointy elbows

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    I will be so depressed and disappointed next year if both Sochan and Vassell are starting next year. I mean wtf would we even be doing as a franchise if that’s the plan going forward. Sochan is a high energy bench player. He just can’t be used on our team as a starter if we want to win. Vassell is just a brick layer. There’s nothing else to his game.

    If we don’t make a ing trade or swing for a big move this offseason then this team again won’t make the playoffs next year.

    Objectively, the Spurs just standing pat and wasting the first 3 years of Wembys career is just stupid. Spurs fans like to about contracts of other star players, their age, their supposed fit, which player is overpaid and whatever other nonsense. So they’d rather just stand pat instead of taking a risk. But the time to up and go for it is when we have Wemby for 13 million a year. FFS he’s about to cost 50+ million a year going forward. If we pay a Jimmy Butler (not even saying I want him just using him as an example) 50 million this year and next year. We make the playoffs both years and get bounced in the second round both years or even just one year. Does that hurt us at all? What is the risk of even pulling the trigger for that trade?

    If this was a bar, most of Spurstalk would be watching others take home girls while members like Splits would be saying nope elbow too pointy. And just go home alone with a nice bottle of lotion AKA DEVIN VASSELINE

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    Whether Castle end up as a PG or SG is damn crucial for Spurs whole rebuilding plan. It will change a lot the kind of players Spurs will target.
    Too early to tell, I personally don’t see him developing into a traditional PG but I think he is versatile enough as a combo guard where you could comfortably pair him with a scoring point like Fox or have him in the backcourt with a secondary play maker/ scorer like a Booker or Lavine archetype and not skip a beat.

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    Too early to tell, I personally don’t see him developing into a traditional PG but I think he is versatile enough as a combo guard where you could comfortably pair him with a scoring point like Fox or have him in the backcourt with a secondary play maker/ scorer like a Booker or Lavine archetype and not skip a beat.
    I think this is right. Even if the shot comes along, the Spurs are still missing someone who can breakdown the defenses and get the activity started on that end. I’ve love Steph, but that’s not his game, and why the flirtations with Fox make a ton of sense.

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    Whether Castle end up as a PG or SG is damn crucial for Spurs whole rebuilding plan. It will change a lot the kind of players Spurs will target.
    Not actually sure that it actually matters; 2 PG sets are a thing, and Castle is easily big enough to be in the SG slot defensively. PG's are more valuable than SG's on the trade market. You'd only draft the SG if you rank the top SG available ahead of the PG available.

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    Not actually sure that it actually matters; 2 PG sets are a thing, and Castle is easily big enough to be in the SG slot defensively. PG's are more valuable than SG's on the trade market. You'd only draft the SG if you rank the top SG available ahead of the PG available.
    Well, Castle not being able to play PG would complicate everything. You can't really pair Castle with a PG who can't shoot and, ideally, you don't want to pair him with a defensive liability. Finding that player will be damn difficult. Just by looking at current mock drafts, player like Fears, Traoré, Saraf, Philon and Fland aren't that great fit with Castle.

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    Nice that he got a career high and all... but I'm not quite ready to celebrate 9/21 performances where he posts a team second worst -14 (thanks for pointing this out RC_Drunkford).

    There is a reason that MEM funneled shots towards him.

    Good developmental game for Castle, and I'm still extremely bullish on him, but I'm not going to get too excited about high-usage, low-efficiency games from him.

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    Nice that he got a career high and all... but I'm not quite ready to celebrate 9/21 performances where he posts a team second worst -14 (thanks for pointing this out RC_Drunkford).

    There is a reason that MEM funneled shots towards him.

    Good developmental game for Castle, and I'm still extremely bullish on him, but I'm not going to get too excited about high-usage, low-efficiency games from him.
    Agreed tbh. 2/9 from 3 killed us. They were all wide open shots of course as Memphis was daring him to shoot. He's a consistent 3-point shot away from being an All-Star caliber player though. Just needs to lock in this offseason and really get that muscle-memory going. It's times like these I really wish we still had Chip Engelland tbh.

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    Agreed tbh. 2/9 from 3 killed us. They were all wide open shots of course as Memphis was daring him to shoot. He's a consistent 3-point shot away from being an All-Star caliber player though. Just needs to lock in this offseason and really get that muscle-memory going. It's times like these I really wish we still had Chip Engelland tbh.
    I was more frustrated at our execution than Castle missing threes which was to be expected.
    He should've just attacked Edey, instead we ran the same sets that would've been ran if there was no mismatch.
    As if we were practicing execution of certain plays rather than trying to win the game.

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    Agreed tbh. 2/9 from 3 killed us. They were all wide open shots of course as Memphis was daring him to shoot. He's a consistent 3-point shot away from being an All-Star caliber player though. Just needs to lock in this offseason and really get that muscle-memory going. It's times like these I really wish we still had Chip Engelland tbh.
    memphis started the game with Edey defending Castle tbh

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    Castle is young and shows great. promise. I just wish his three point shot was more consistent and misses were closer rather than being all over the place.

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    Castle is young and shows great. promise. I just wish his three point shot was more consistent and misses were closer rather than being all over the place.
    Yep, I agree on all that you've said here. I hope he can become a constisten shooter. I'd feel a lot better about it if those misses weren't all over the place, though.

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    Steph turned 20 just two months ago. He's got plenty of time to work on the shot.

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    teams are putting their center on Castle to dare him to shoot and have an extra defender clog the paint who can then help on Wemby. Spurs need to figure out how to counter that.

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