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There's no way in the Spurs are trading for Zion and Vecenie knows this. Clickbait.
They can have the rights to the Spurs/Celtics 2028 pick swap. Celtics look stacked for a long run and those are prime Wemby years. Zollins and one of Barnes/KJ for plus the 2028 swap for Zion. Its a long shot that Zion or the 2028 pick swap are of a real consequence.
Spurs and Pel's are trading a long shot for a long shot.
There's no way in the Spurs are trading for Zion and Vecenie knows this. Clickbait.
i think your concept of the trade exception is backwards.
by swapping lavine/vuc for barnes/zollins, the bulls already have 63 million in outgoing salary, while the spurs only have 35 mil outgoing
if anything, its the spurs who would need the big trade exception to fit that much incoming salary.
did vecenie report that the spurs actually have interest?
Gee, I'd settle for a number 8 pick in the lottery who is capable of shooting a basketball.
That said, the biggest problem thus far isn't lack of drafted talent, it's a massive failure to get any improvement whatsoever from any of them.
The Spurs cannot trade away BOS's swap. They can only trade away their 2028 pick, which would be the higher of SAS/BOS.
No, he did not. What dip s like Mr. Body can't wrap their head around, because they are too busy fantasizing being pissed on by other dudes, is that some people enjoy discussing hypotheticals. Mr. Body should kill himself.
Also, I hope if and when this site ever gets updated, the bug whereby Quoted Posts avoid the ignore feature eventually gets fixed.
Ok you would have to throw in KJ in that case to make salaries work.
You could also do:
Spurs Get:
LaVine 43M (rich man's Dev)
Vuch
Bulls Get:
Dev 29M (poor man's LaVine)
Zollins+ one of Mal or Blake for matching salary
regain full control of their own pick
ATL 25 pick.
Starting Lineup:
1. CP3
2. LaVine
3. Champ
4. Barnes
5. Wemby
Tons of spacing in the starting lineup and the defense will be just fine with Wemby on the floor.
Bench:
Tre
Castle
KJ
Sochan
Vuch
Vuch and KJ are top option off the bench with Tre and Castle as player makers along with Sochan's defense.
That's a nice mix players with tons of workable options and variations.
I’m probably the only guy who is still intrigued by Zion. Yes, huge risks given his terrible work ethic and at ude, but the upside is still very high.
He can attack the rim like nobody’s business, he can create and play make. He doesn’t play defence. If he has the attributes to be at least a decent one. His shooting is bad so he cannot play with sochan or castle now which is a huge issue, unless you trade one of the two away.
I would give up sochan, a lottery protested 26 spurs pick, the Charlotte “pick”, chicagos pick, 26 Atlanta pick for Zion anf trey. Throw in the zollins and Malaki’s plus seconds to make salaries match.
Its still going to cost two first round picks or equivalent. Too much talent, youth and elite production when on the floor to go for anything less.
Trade proposal for Zion that the Pels actually might accept:
Sochan (roughly equal value of a first round pick)
Zollins and Barnes for matching salary
2028 Spurs pick with Boston swap attached.
Sochan almost has to be included since they both play PF and the Spurs cant pay Zion 40M and Sochan 20M long term.
Its a gamble and not for the faint of heart. The odds of the 28 swap being of major consequence are a long shot with Prime Wemby and the Tatum/Brown lead Celtics. Still think someone will beat this offer and another pick will have to be included.
Once again the talent, youth and elite production when on the floor really drive up the price despite Zion's many flaws. At least one premium asset will have to be included.
I see Zion as a rich man's Dejuan Blair with ACLs.
I cannot see a world, other than one directed by David Lynch (RIP), where the Spurs make a risky move like this.
Zion is such a stupid idea...
Wemby needs a guy that can play inside/out, preferably high IQ
And that's not even mentioning the work ethic and character incompatibility...
Zion has no accountability and no disciple. I think a lot of people immediately go to "he just needs an organization with better structure that will hold him accountable" and sometimes that's the case and works. However I don't think that's Zion. I think he would respond even worse to a team not babying him. Some people are just built to coast on their talent and ego. Then when the talent fades or in this case he's injury prone what you're left with is the ego.
I think he goes down as one of the most wasted talents ever to hit the league.
People are so quick to throw in the towel on a 24 year old with borderline GOAT level talent. Not even willing to part with picks that will most likely land in the teens 3-7 years from now.
Are you serious?
He can't shoot.
He's a horrible defender.
That's when he's healthy.
I actually think the thing that would be best for Zion is if he just got straight up waived this offseason in the hopes it would be a huge wake up call for him. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect that Zion is like a lot of kids in his 20s, with that feeling of invincibility. He's likely ever had zero accountability on him, and missing all of these games in the NBA has yet to really cost him anything. Getting waived and having to go out and sign a one-year deal for a fraction of his previous contract to rehab his image might be the only thing that can slap some sense into him.
What's your offer if NOP says Trey's off the market, you can only have Zion?
Always blows me away hearing that argument as if the Pelicans aren't one of the better organizations in the league. They have repeatedly gotten good players to put around Zion and they have been excellent in the draft. If Zion had Wemby's work ethic and drive they'd probably have a banner hanging in their arena by now.
Zion's gonna keep hitting that snooze button. He's already rich and someone else will come with a bag for him anyways.
Zion averages 24 a game on 58% shooting for his career. Zion never needed a jumper like LeBron and Giannis.
You made up the cant play defense thing because his defensive metrics are fine for his career.
Yeah, Lebron really didn't need a jumpshot in '07 finals when he shot 22% outside the paint and 3 games were really close.
The only two players in modern NBA who never needed a jumpshot were Shaq and Giannis.
And you can say Giannis could've benefitted from it in all those series he shot way below his average against teams well-equipped to deal with him.
Show me one game where he defended opposition's best wing instead of being hidden on defense and just going for weak side blocks?You made up the cant play defense thing because his defensive metrics are fine for his career.
But according to you, flashy dunks are enough for GOAT poential.
Klay tore his achilles and ACL in 2019, still played more games since those finals up until now than Zion.
He'll be out of the league in a couple of years and broke before he turns 35.
I certainly don’t blame the organization. But the perception that he’s not being held accountable is more about than anything else.
I can also understand the Pels not wanting to completely devolve the relationship with him. Especially with his current trade value not being that great. If the organization and Zion get into a battle it’s only gonna hurt his trade value even more.
It would nice if Zion had a jumper but he doesn’t need one evidenced by his 58% career shooting percentage.
Yes Zion should guard weaker players on defense so he can save energy for offense. Standard procedure for a top option scorer.
Do you even watch the NBA? This is some pretty elementary stuff.
Probably. Though it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Zion is also already broke somehow
I don't know the going rate of hookers. But Zion might.
Plenty of flaws to point to in Zion's game... but those flaws actually fit SAS fairly well.
However, the main flaw (being a lazy , not being available for the majority of games) don't fit any team.
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