Is there a case AGAINST making a trade at the deadline?

[Strategic]

It’s not a case that I like, but the FO may believe this roster needs another year to develop. After all, if the Spurs would have won just 5 of the 20 games they’ve lost, they would be sitting 5th in the West. I think most of us can recall at least 5 loses they should have won. FO may be banking on another years maturity to remedy these baffling loses. If this is their thinking, I hope they can add a couple of dudes before the start of next season. Yes BB Gods, I’ll have a serviceable 6’10” forward and a perimeter ace.

[mo7888]

Yeah, those streets are pretty rough. I'd be down for a build where we have multiple #3s instead of a true #2, but we don't even have one #3 right now unfortunately (and I don't see any of the guys you mentioned as being one of those either). Vassell is closest, but honestly I think he's more like a 4th option on a playoff team (and Naz, the best guy on your list, I'd say the same about). Castle has a chance to elevate to that level, and deserves a long leash.

Our FO needs to get creative and take swings with the kind of upside to at least be a solid #3 (I don't even love Cam Johnson that much, but he's one of those guys). Otherwise, I still don't particularly love where we are going.

Let's say we sign Naz and Aldama to be our starting front court next to Wemby. Let's say we also use the #11, #12 and #16 in the draft to take Saraf, Philon and McNeeley (I guess?) and somehow move Keldon for something tbd

2025-26 Spurs:

Castle/Philon/Jones
Vassell/Saraf
Aldama/Champ/McNeeley
Reid/Sochan/Barnes
Wembanyama/Bassey/Collins

That team has a lot fewer holes, but looks like it still caps out as the 6 seed unless Castle or one of those rookies really breaks through.

I actually like the idea of adding two of the 3 guys on your list (with Naz and Aldama as my favorites), but we still need something.

Kind of depressing, tbh

It's depressing but, we'd still have Keldon + Zollins expiring contract and a lot of picks to try and acquire a true #2. It's much better than where we currently stand.

[Pauleta14]

I don't get why some of you are acting as if there was a supermarket where, whenever we feel the need, we could go a make a trade...

Market opportunities and needs are what drives trades.

I don't expect any trade personally because I'm afraid PATFO is more than satisfied why where the team's at.

I'm sure guys like Sochan Vassell or even Keldon are 100% part of the future plans so won't see any trade in their positions and nobody will ever take Collins's contract, which eliminates the option of trading for a backup big man.

[scott]

It’s not a case that I like, but the FO may believe this roster needs another year to develop. After all, if the Spurs would have won just 5 of the 20 games they’ve lost, they would be sitting 5th in the West. I think most of us can recall at least 5 loses they should have won. FO may be banking on another years maturity to remedy these baffling loses. If this is their thinking, I hope they can add a couple of dudes before the start of next season. Yes BB Gods, I’ll have a serviceable 6’10” forward and a perimeter ace.

I think this is wholly in the realm of possibility, and it's very depressing to think about... because I don't think there is a single player on our team aside from Wemby who would start on any of the top teams in the league. If they were all rookies, that would be one thing, but only Castle has that excuse. Vassell and Sochan should be further ahead by now if they were gonna be those dudes.

[Mr. Body]

I think this is wholly in the realm of possibility, and it's very depressing to think about... because I don't think there is a single player on our team aside from Wemby who would start on any of the top teams in the league. If they were all rookies, that would be one thing, but only Castle has that excuse. Vassell and Sochan should be further ahead by now if they were gonna be those dudes.

Sochan and Vassel are both very good players who are still developing. Castle, too. Leaving aside Barnes and Paul. Champ and Tre are good rotation guys. It's just endemic of this board to think all these players are crap and that's just straight up wrong.

[timtonymanu]

Tre a good rotation guy

[Mr. Body]

It’s not a case that I like, but the FO may believe this roster needs another year to develop. After all, if the Spurs would have won just 5 of the 20 games they’ve lost, they would be sitting 5th in the West. I think most of us can recall at least 5 loses they should have won. FO may be banking on another years maturity to remedy these baffling loses. If this is their thinking, I hope they can add a couple of dudes before the start of next season. Yes BB Gods, I’ll have a serviceable 6’10” forward and a perimeter ace.

The team seems to have made it pretty clear that they're thinking the next decade plus rather than the next year. They want to win games but they're not going to make expensive moves in terms of burning assets or using up valuable cap space. I don't know how many times this has to be said. Many people on ST are completely out of step with the franchise and think we should burn lots of assets and cap space on maybe players instead of sound moves. Where would that get us? In three or four years, screwed. We're like the Cavs with early LeBron.

I don't know what the right moves are, and a problem is that how good Barnes and Paul have been, they won't be here much longer and have to be replaced. But I am confident that when they tell us their timeframe they aren't lying.

[Mr. Body]

Tre a good rotation guy

Yeah. Are you a ing dope or what.

[Strategic]

I don't know what the right moves are, and a problem is that how good Barnes and Paul have been, they won't be here much longer and have to be replaced. But I am confident that when they tell us their timeframe they aren't lying.

I don’t have problems with Barnes age. Kinda wishing Tobias Harris would have walked thru Spurs’ door instead, though. They’re the same age, but Harris seems to bring a little more court at ude than Barnes. Maybe an at ude would help this team bounce back in some of these mid game meltdowns. Oh well. PATFO we’re always bringing in different timeline guys to try to fit with the big 3. One of the keys to the big 3’s success was that Manu and Tony were both younger than Timmy. If we’re wanting that scenario for Vic, then we’re still waiting on the draft.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I hope they get Flagg, tbh, though it wouldn't be great for us in the Southwest Division. New Orleans is full of great people, they deserve better. I'm of the opinion they should get whatever they can for Zion and BI now, because they don't really need either of those guys to have an exciting core going forward. That core is significantly better than ours outside of Wemby.

Last thing I want to see is a team with a front office that can turn crap picks around 20 into solid players like Murphy and Missi getting a superstar talent like Flagg or Harper. The conference is already enough of a bloodbath with OKC, Houston, Memphis, Denver, Dallas, and Minnesota all with high end young talent. If we don't luck into Flagg or Harper jfc I hope they both go east.

[scott]

Last thing I want to see is a team with a front office that can turn crap picks around 20 into solid players like Murphy and Missi getting a superstar talent like Flagg or Harper. The conference is already enough of a bloodbath with OKC, Houston, Memphis, Denver, Dallas, and Minnesota all with high end young talent. If we don't luck into Flagg or Harper jfc I hope they both go east.

That would definitely be best for the Spurs... but I'm also a fan of the sport overall, and a DJM/Murphy/Flagg/Missi team would be entertaining. Let's face it BB, our FO isn't equipped to have us competing anytime soon anyway, might as well enjoy the rest of the league.

[baseline bum]

That would definitely be best for the Spurs... but I'm also a fan of the sport overall, and a DJM/Murphy/Flagg/Missi team would be entertaining. Let's face it BB, our FO isn't equipped to have us competing anytime soon anyway, might as well enjoy the rest of the league.

naw Wemby is still enough to have this team competing for les in 3-4 years if they can even be mid in the draft and trades. Let Flagg resurrect the Hornets or the Bullets

[scott]

naw Wemby is still enough to have this team competing for les in 3-4 years if they can even be mid in the draft and trades. Let Flagg resurrect the Hornets or the Bullets

bruh, we're looking at 1991-1996 DRob era Spurs all over again, except this time without the playoff appearances. We're gonna be in Year 8 of Devin, talking about how he's still developing

[ismael-robert]

We'll compete next year...its about year 6 dev n tre

[tbdog]

Several reasons.

More options during the offseason.
Due to new salary floor rules, unbalanced salary trades are more available during the offseason.
Roster spots allow unbalanced 3 for 1 deals in offseason.

[Jordan Jackson]

I'd happily send Vassell, ATL25 and the worst of ATL/SA27 for Trey Murphy III. Is anyone against that? Does NOP accept that?

I’d personally drive him to the airport. But I don’t think NOLA takes that.

It’s really something that the Pelicans have a better crop of young players than the Spurs. Their season has been riddled with injury and Zion is a fat ass tanking the team and his value. But when healthy they’ve been pretty good.

I watch them because I’m a big Herb and Trey fan.

Really amazing. So much talent in the league and Brian Wright has found a way to avoid most of it. Impressive stuff.

[jjspur]

The spurs are pretty close to the point where they say we need a small trade to help us get to the play in ( I think that's all they'll do if anything) or they say screw it and just go with the squad we currently have and not waste any assets. The issue is that we have a lot of assets and we should use some of them before they start losing some of their value. We have at least two firsts and 2 seconds for this next draft. I don't see the spurs adding 4 young players so maybe trading 1 or 2 of them for a decent player could help the team in the short run and the long run. We'll see soon enough. So long as they don't trade away the farm for a few magic beans, they'll be ok.

[KobesAchilles]

The team seems to have made it pretty clear that they're thinking the next decade plus rather than the next year. They want to win games but they're not going to make expensive moves in terms of burning assets or using up valuable cap space. I don't know how many times this has to be said. Many people on ST are completely out of step with the franchise and think we should burn lots of assets and cap space on maybe players instead of sound moves. Where would that get us? In three or four years, screwed. We're like the Cavs with early LeBron.

I don't know what the right moves are, and a problem is that how good Barnes and Paul have been, they won't be here much longer and have to be replaced. But I am confident that when they tell us their timeframe they aren't lying.

When is the last time we made the playoffs? Do you even know the answer to that. And when you google the answer I want you to ask yourself: is going on year 6 of not making the playoffs not patient enough for you? Is it 10 years of not making the playoffs in a row? Is that how patient we have to be? Bc of all the stupid you’ve said, you can’t be taken seriously when you say like: Sochan and Vassell are “very good player.” Very good? Very good? How? Explain how either one is very good.

Then you continue and say stupid like we have to be patient or else we will be the Cavs and LeBron. They made a ing finals. And they had several first round picks to surround LeBron they just chose the wrong players. They kept LeBron surrounded by ty players who wouldn’t be starters on any other le contender. I wonder what team that sounds like. Hmmm. Also your dumbass thinks that making a trade automatically means we are getting rid of every single one of our FRPs. I don’t know why you think that way. I don’t know if you’re unaware that when you trade for a player there isn’t a rule that says we have to trade all of our draft picks for that player. Hopefully now you can live your life knowing this fact and stop saying the same tired line about we would get rid of all our draft capital for player X. It’s annoying as .

If Vassell and Sochan remain starters on our team going forward I can guarantee that we will not make the playoffs any of those years. Also last thing you’re wrong about is that Tre is a good rotation player. He isn’t. He is undersized, can’t shoot and can’t defend and can’t beat his man off the dribble. He’s pretty ing useless as a player and I hope he is gone next year too.

[scott]

Great news, KobesAchilles, it looks like DET has a decent shot at the playoffs, leaving us in sole possession of the 2nd longest active playoff drought. If only that pesky Hornets team could get out of their own way we might have a shot at the top all by ourselves while waiting for Devin to make that 9th year leap

[dn0774]

I know BWright has had the Pop/RC training wheels on for awhile but how can his job security not even be a question? I am just mentally preparing myself for a massive Sochan overpay this summer, we are once again going to bid against ourselves (Zack Collin’s style) and end up with a fundamentally flawed player for an amount no other team would’ve come close to offering.

I would actually rather the Spurs not make a move before the deadline, but only because it’s looking like it will be slim pickings and any needle moving trades will have to be overpays most likely. This summer on the other hand will be career defining for Wright (good or bad), huge draft, Sochan extension, pressure to find Wemby legit help/2nd star. Not outright making the playoffs in year 3 of Wemby would be a massive embarrassment and leave 1 more year of Vic on a cheap rookie deal. The “Wemby wants out” narratives will appear and gain steam quickly etc.

[z0sa]

Competent front offices know better than to willingly pay a Zach Collins $18 million next season. He has literal negative value in a trade.

Yeah, in a vacuum. Nobody should want him.

Used to be, our FO got over on other front offices.. What happened? You don't fix a up (the contract overpay) without finding some other guy who's even more of a sucker than you were, just saying. Or is the League so smart now? More like, our FO sucks too much now.

Honestly don't want to hear about their struggles. They need to find a way.

Or get fired.

[Bruno]

What Spurs should do is one thing. What Spurs will do is another one.

Right now, everything point towards Spurs sticking to their slow rebuild plan and doing no significant trades at the trade deadline.

Not my fault, sorry...

[RC_Drunkford]

even worse is that we're the only franchise in the NBA that hasn't been able to string a 5-game winning streak together in the 2020s Let's start with that

The Spurs should absolutely try to package Tre Jones expiring contract and one of the other end of the bench scrubs for a legit rotation player. That would be a nice start.

[rankingtear]

The case is CP3 is a few months from 40 one hamstring strain and were done. You can rebuild the bench and it wouldn't matter if he goes down.

[CGD]

Dylan Harper and Cooper Flagg