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We are WELL past the point of being high enough in the draft for those two...unless we get some luck from our other draft picks. Winning or losing doesn't affect those.
What kind of reasoning is that? Sometimes I'm just amazing how awful your takes can be.
Noone is talking about stop-gap solutions, we're mostly mentioning players in their prime who would be good for at least 3 years, if not more.
You're in for a bad surprise if you think that we can rebuild a horrible team in one summer and start competing right away.
With each passing deadline with no movement, we're just setting ourselves further behind.
Wouldn't it be better to have two legit rotation pieces right now so they can get adapt to the team and be ready at the start of the next season?
We're not getting anywhere this season, but it doesn't mean that we can't improve the team for the future.
For example, C is our biggest need right now, the entire rotation is broken without a reliable backup for Wemby.
There are a handful solid backups available and we'd only have to use some of our 20 SRPs.
If we're talking summer and free agency, these are the best available players: Brook Lopez, Capela, Adams, Looney, Drummond, Deandre, Plumlee, Horford.
Just a bunch of old and washed players.
We should be in for Aldama and Naz Reid, but they're not actual bigs, more of a PF/C hybrids.
We could've had Richards for nothing, he just had a 21/11 game in his debut for the Suns.
Valanciunas, Vucevic and John Collins are available. There's not a single valid reason why PATFO shouldn't pursue one of them.
We are WELL past the point of being high enough in the draft for those two...unless we get some luck from our other draft picks. Winning or losing doesn't affect those.
This is a true statement, and bears repeating... but that should also not stop fans from discussing what they think the FO should do on a fan discussion board. Some posters (not you, per se) seem to not grasp that.
While I agree with your overall premise, I actually think there are quite valid reasons why PAFTO shouldn't pursue Vooch and Collins.
1) Vooch - high priced and probably wants to start. If we plan on starting two bigs again (which maybe we should?), then Vooch makes sense. Otherwise, he doesn't really make a lot of sense as a backup C (which is the problem we are trying to solve), IMO
2) Collins - need to get a feeling on whether he will opt this summer or not. If he does, then there is no need to spend assets to acquire him now. He also doesn't solve the backup C issue, if we got him he should be out starting 4.
We shouldn't be looking to pay our backup C $20-26MM/yr. If not for Nurkic getting benched, we'd already have the highest paid backup C in the entire league (Nurk has Zollins beat by $90k). Even if Zach Collins were the best backup C in the entire league, our backup only plays 12-15 mpg and we don't need to pay the backup C position over $1MM/mpg.
It should be easy to find a backup C with a few SRPs that is on a cheap deal though. There really isn't any reason for any backup C to make more than $10MM/yr these days.
While I agree that he would want to start, the reported asking price is two seconds because they want to keep their pick.
I don't think Chicago would deal with us as long as we have that pick and it wouldn't be smart to help them get worse.
He'll definitely opt in, noone is giving him $26M a year with so little cap space around the league.2) Collins - need to get a feeling on whether he will opt this summer or not. If he does, then there is no need to spend assets to acquire him now. He also doesn't solve the backup C issue, if we got him he should be out starting 4.
He can match up against most backup bigs and we'd have Bassey or another energy guy to fill in when needed.
I actually think getting Collins and one of Aldama/Naz would make us a really interesting team.
Wemby/Collins/Aldama(or Naz) would be able to cover the C position with Bassey as a situational option.
Interesting, I see Aldama as more of a big wing, like a Lauri-lite on offense who can actually play defense, but he probably can withstand some backup C minutes. (Side note, I also view Naz and as much more of a big wing as well. He'd definitely be our starting PF, but capable of some small ball C minutes, similar to what Sochan has done at times though Naz would be more effective just because he's bigger).
Wemby/Jollins/Aldama I'd actually like more as a starting frontcourt. We'd have unmatched length, but each of those guys has some perimeter versatility on defense and they can all shoot. I think Wemby/Naz/Aldama does the same thing, but I probably like Jollins slightly more than Naz because of the rebounding, but I'd be more than happy with either. Naz and Jollins doesn't work as well, IMO, because they are a little more redundant. I think Santi is a little more versatile with his movement.
I'd go for Jollins or Naz and Aldama and still get a legit backup C, personally. And I think LaRavia is a good, less expensive, fallback option to any of those guys if you can't land them.
Edit:
In this scenario, my ideal lineup would entail Vassell and Sochan moving to the bench unit, and look something like this:
CP3*/Tre/Blake
Castle/Vassell/TBD
Aldama/Champ/Barnes
Jollins/Sochan/Barnes
Wemby/Jonas/Bassey
This is before factoring in any potential draft picks. PG still remains the biggest hole - who knows if CP3 retires or comes back, which is why I have an *. I just assume Tre Jones for now. You could dream for a moment that you get lucky and land Dylan Harper, and he slots into your starting PG if the BBall gods deemed us worthy of such fortune.
Current standing is ahead of the schedule for this team, so they let it play out
Yeah, we're doing great. Might break the magical 35 wins threshold after 6 years!
Notice how he turns into crickets when you rebuttal his re ed takes with evidence.
unless you're trading castle, you are guaranteed to get robbed in a trade. We have done a pitiful job at raising the value of tradable players.
I mean, that maybe the goal. There is non superstar, that matches Wemby prime years, available.
Stupid trade for Cam Johnson may require 2 frp
Yep, it wasn't at all a post to say don't talk about that.
It was more like a friendly advice not to get too caught in all these trade rumors because Spurs will likely do nothing and you might end up being disappointed if you think otherwise.
As fans, we have no other choices that to accept this slow rebuild. To me, the best way to deal with that is not to be too much invested in Spurs right now. It's kinda frustrating to know Spurs could be significantly better if they decided it (Spurs could have improved quite a lot their team by trading for Nick Richards, for example).
I find it's interesting to see how the potential future pieces are either looking good like Wembanyama, Castle and Sochan or not so good like Vassell or Johnson but I'm not overly happy/sad by wins/loses. It's hard to root for a team that isn't build to win.
Yep, at the end of the day - this website is just the virtual water cooler. Hopefully no one gets invested in any of the ideas shared on this board... since none of us get a vote behind those closed FO doors!
Most sensible take here but really hard to apply in reality when the team just plays awful poor BBIQ games. And then you also remember that there's actually no plans being done by the FO
We all knew it was a slow rebuild through the draft. s getting ugly
No. It’s a lottery ticket regardless. Case in point: 2024 Atlanta Hawks.
To be clear I’m not advocating for this position, it’s just a response to this thread’s le. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Spurs FO isn’t thinking this way though.
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