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    Danny Ainge giving up late FRPs he doesn't really need for an unprotected FRP of a franchise that's going to implode within a year.

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    Does the Phoenix deal take some air out of the sails of the Rockets war chest? I tried to decipher all the swap rules associated with picks and quickly gave up.

    Can I get a Houston?
    It might pump the brakes a little bit on Houston getting a nice pick from PHX (via a swap with BKN) this year, but HOU still has PHX27 (completely unprotected) and a swap for PHX29 (Houston actually gets the two best picks of HOU/DAL/PHX that year, and BKN gets the worst of the 3).

    I think the biggest impact if PHX gets Jimmy, is it will put an end to the possibility that they want to blow it up and send KD or Booker to HOU. The Rockets are still probably getting a decent reward in 2029 though.

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    Good move by Phoenix. By the end of the decade this country will be a smoking ruin anyway.

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    Danny Ainge giving up late FRPs he doesn't really need for an unprotected FRP of a franchise that's going to implode within a year.
    Yep. Galaxy Brain 5000 move from Ainge. Too bad he hasn't figured out how to do anything in Utah other than collect draft picks though.

    A few thoughts on this and trades like it:
    • You look at this deal, and deals OKC has had to do, and it really highlights how not all picks are created equal and the value of incoming picks rapidly diminishes as they become increasingly certain to be late FRPs. You wait to long, and you end up having to take pennies on the dollar for them. The Spurs should already know this, but if not hopefully they are paying attention. The worst thing to happen to your war chest is when you are stuck actually having to make the picks that don't return high value. Then you had to add Branhams and Isaiah Colliers or sell off your picks for cheap like NYK did last year when they wanted out of #24 and only ended up with a handful of SRPs.
    • Even though PHX31 looks juicy, I'm sure Ainge views it more as a trade chip than as a potential top 5 pick. As we've seen with ATL25, it's really rare for traded FRPs to convey super high without a lot of luck (like HOU jumping up 6 spots with BKN's pick). Which is partly what was frustrating about the ROI we got for the the #8 pick. Natural variance alone signals that there's a 50/50 shot the MIN30 swap even conveys, and if it does the odds say it is most likely to only result in a slight improvement in position. The MIN31 pick only has about a 25% chance of being 8 or better. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm good with the decision to trade the pick but I would have hoped to have gotten more value for it (though market forces dictate what it's worth and it sounds like MIN was the only buyer).

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    Yep. Galaxy Brain 5000 move from Ainge. Too bad he hasn't figured out how to do anything in Utah other than collect draft picks though.

    A few thoughts on this and trades like it:
    • You look at this deal, and deals OKC has had to do, and it really highlights how not all picks are created equal and the value of incoming picks rapidly diminishes as they become increasingly certain to be late FRPs. You wait to long, and you end up having to take pennies on the dollar for them. The Spurs should already know this, but if not hopefully they are paying attention. The worst thing to happen to your war chest is when you are stuck actually having to make the picks that don't return high value. Then you had to add Branhams and Isaiah Colliers or sell off your picks for cheap like NYK did last year when they wanted out of #24 and only ended up with a handful of SRPs.
    • Even though PHX31 looks juicy, I'm sure Ainge views it more as a trade chip than as a potential top 5 pick. As we've seen with ATL25, it's really rare for traded FRPs to convey super high without a lot of luck (like HOU jumping up 6 spots with BKN's pick). Which is partly what was frustrating about the ROI we got for the the #8 pick. Natural variance alone signals that there's a 50/50 shot the MIN30 swap even conveys, and if it does the odds say it is most likely to only result in a slight improvement in position. The MIN31 pick only has about a 25% chance of being 8 or better. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm good with the decision to trade the pick but I would have hoped to have gotten more value for it (though market forces dictate what it's worth and it sounds like MIN was the only buyer).
    in his last 7 games collier is averaging 11 points, 9 assists, 4.5 boards

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    in his last 7 games collier is averaging 11 points, 9 assists, 4.5 boards
    Well dang, not too bad. He looked pretty terrible earlier in the season. Maybe he's finding his way. On the other hand, there were stretches where Branham put up some decent numbers as well...

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    man miami losing to portland makes us look real bad.

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    Fascinating trade, as it unlocks the next 6 drafts for them in terms of tradeable assets. Now they can trade PHX26, PHX28 or PHX30, or the 3 picks they just acquired (which aren't great and aren't worth much, as evidenced by the cost to acquire them).
    Nah they can't trade their 26, 28, nor 30 since they gave Washington unprotected swaps on all three of them to land Beal. Holy .

    https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-sun...eal-chris-paul

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    I think the biggest impact if PHX gets Jimmy, is it will put a one year time delay to the possibility that they want to blow it up and send KD or Booker to HOU. The Rockets are still probably getting a decent reward in 2029 though.
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    Good move by Phoenix. By the end of the decade this country will be a smoking ruin anyway.
    All the more reason to make trades to win now

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    I guess congrats to the Sons for trading a dollar for three nickels.

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    Beal—Middleton — Jimbo 3 way?

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    Nah they can't trade their 26, 28, nor 30 since they gave Washington unprotected swaps on all three of them to land Beal. Holy .

    https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-sun...eal-chris-paul
    They can still trade them, they're just far less valuable

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    They can still trade them, they're just far less valuable
    Yeah you're right, they can trade them as worst of.

    What a cluster of a franchise.

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    Beal in Milwaukee seems a suspect fit next to Dame in the back court. I suppose if you put a wing defender at the 3 like Andre Jackson that’s three plus defensive players with Brooke and Giannis but man Dame and Beal are going to leak points.

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    MIL trading for Beal sounds like the Bucks front office is trying to force Giannis into asking for a trade this offseason

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    [Charania] League sources told ESPN that James and Davis are growing concerned about the Lakers' ability to make significant roster upgrades with their two tradeable first-rounders.
    Should've said that AD is concerned about LeGM's ability to make significant roster upgrades.
    Wasted his prime for a Mickey Mouse ring in Lebron's shadow, what a disappointment.


    [Charania] Sources said the Bulls have been receiving calls from teams on two key players: Zach LaVine and Nikola Vucevic.
    They'll probably give away both for next to nothing as long as they don't have to take bad contracts back just so they can tank properly.

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    They'll probably give away both for next to nothing as long as they don't have to take bad contracts back just so they can tank properly.
    Yeah, Vecenie thinks the price of Lavine is simply just a contract that expires sooner to shave years off what CHI is on the hook for, plus a minor asset (like a SRP).

    On Vooch, he didn't sound as bullish (no pun intended) on the prospects because Vooch isn't a clean fit in a lot of places.

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    Man if we can get Lavine and Valanciunas for basically 2nd round picks and contract filler that would be amazing. Won't happen, but I can dream lol.

    I'm not even a big Lavine fan but he would fill a huge need for the Spurs in scoring and 3 point shooting, you can possibly get him for super cheap and his contract is up right when we need to pay Wemby.

    Might even give up a highly protected 1st for Val just to push other teams out.
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    Jimmy suspended another 2 games lol

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    Darius Garland misses game winning free throws and gives a game to the rockets. Spurs can’t catch a break like that. Of course it doesn’t help being down 20.

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    Darius Garland misses game winning free throws and gives a game to the rockets. Spurs can’t catch a break like that. Of course it doesn’t help being down 20.

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    I didn’t see the play. Was it a legit foul call?

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    I didn’t see the play. Was it a legit foul call?
    It was. Thankfully he missed

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