Donald Trump - the first female president of USA

[velik_m]

President Trump solves all gender issues by declaring everyone female:

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More specifically, the order defines someone female as “a person belonging, at conception to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell,” whilst someone male is a “person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell”.

But anyone with a background in biology will know that all human embryos follow a “female” developmental path until the activation of the SRY gene several weeks after conception, which sparks sexual differentiation.

Embryos with an XY genotype will develop biologically male traits linked to the Y chromosome at around six weeks. Before that point, human embryos only have biologically female traits linked to the X chromosome. In fact, genitalia at conception is “phenotypically female”, as the National Library of Medicine notes.

McBride, who is the first out trans congresswoman, quipped to The Independent that Trump “just declared everyone a woman from conception based on the language of the executive order”.

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/01/...cutive-orders/

I propose from now on that unisex toilets be called Trump toilets in honor of this historic Executive order.

[Blake]

"I gotta use the Don".

Works for me

[ChumpDumper]

what a ing joke of a president

[Yonivore]

what a ing joke of a president

Well, the joke is dismantling the liberal, progressive, woke mess created by Democrats. So, I guess the laugh is on you.

For the uneducated and dimwitted, the ovum is a large single cell and the sperm is a much smaller single cell. Males do not produce ovi and females do not produce sperm. They had to make it simple for you and, yet, you still fail to grasp it. Maybe try reading the entire Executive Order, eh?

Here, I've conveniently linked it for you:

DEFENDING WOMEN FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

[Yonivore]

"I gotta use the Don".

Works for me

Sure, why not.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, the joke is dismantling the liberal, progressive, woke mess created by Democrats. So, I guess the laugh is on you.

For the uneducated and dimwitted, the ovum is a large single cell and the sperm is a much smaller single cell. Males do not produce ovi and females do not produce sperm. They had to make it simple for you and, yet, you still fail to grasp it. Maybe try reading the entire Executive Order, eh?

Here, I've conveniently linked it for you:

DEFENDING WOMEN FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Calm down, take a deep breath, then go back and read the OP.

[Yonivore]

Calm down, take a deep breath, then go back and read the OP.

I read it. McBride is talking about post-conception development. In the relevant passage, the EO is talking about what your born with.

[ChumpDumper]

I read it. McBride is talking about post-conception development. In the relevant passage, the EO is talking about what your born with.

Except it explicitly says "at conception."

It's just stupid. EOs can be stupid. Trump can be stupid. You don't have to defend every single thing associated with him.

[Yonivore]

Except it explicitly says "at conception."

You make a fair point so, let's look at that.

McBride's statement notwithstanding, what does science say?

Well science basically says this; and I'll simplify for you:

All Ovum have a single "X" chromosome. All Sperm have a single chromosome that can either be an "X" or a "Y." If a sperm with the "X" chromosome fertilizes the egg the baby will be a girl. If a sperm with the "Y" chromosome fertilizes the egg the baby will be a boy. And, while it takes a few weeks for sexual organs to start forming, this fact is immutable.

Several sources stated this, in as many words:

"A person’s sex is determined at conception. Males have a set of XY chromosomes and females have a set of XX chromosomes. These sex chromosomes determine whether the embryo develops as a male or female. Initially the gonads in both male and female embryos can develop as either testes or ovaries. Starting at 8 weeks gestation, an embryo with a Y-chromosome produces a factor known as SRY that simultaneously causes the gonads to begin maturing as testes and prevents them from maturing as ovaries. The testes, in turn, produce two important hormones: testosterone and anti-Mullerian Hormone, or AMH. In males, the testes starts producing and releasing testosterone by 10 weeks. Testosterone allows the primitive male anatomy to mature, while AMH causes the primitive female structures to shrivel. The male internal ducts consist of a pair of tubes called the mesonephric ducts that will mature into the vas deferens and epididymis. The epididymis stores sperm, and the vas deferens is the sperm duct. "

Other than being a transgender with an obvious stake in the answer, I'm not sure what McBride's credentials, in the field of human development might be. Do enlighten me.

It's just stupid. EOs can be stupid. Trump can be stupid. You don't have to defend every single thing associated with him.

Not defending the EO. At first, and still, your point is well-taken. I simply think McBride is misrepresenting the fact that AT CONCEPTION, if the sperm (the smaller of the two reproductive cells) fertilizes the ovum (the larger of the two reproductive cells) and is carrying an "X" chromosome, the resulting human will only be able to produce the larger reproductive cell, making it a female. If, on the other hand, the sperm is carrying a "Y" chromosome, when it breaks on through to the other side, the resulting human will only be able to produce the smaller reproductive cell, making it a male.

[ChumpDumper]

So at conception one doesn't actually yet "belong" to a sex.

[Yonivore]

So at conception one doesn't actually yet "belong" to a sex.

You can be pedantic, if you like but, the fact remains, your sex is determined at conception; ergo, you belong to either the male or female sex, based on the two chromosomes present at fertilization.

[ChumpDumper]

You can be pedantic

no . That was the whole point of the OP.

[Yonivore]

So at conception one doesn't actually yet "belong" to a sex.

I'm not sure of you opinion on ChatGPT; I haven't been here in a while but, here's what it says, when I ask the question:

Can one be said to "belong" to the male or female sex at conception?

Yes, one can be said to "belong" to the male or female sex at conception based on biological determinants. At conception, the combination of sex chromosomes from the sperm (either X or Y) and the egg (which always carries an X chromosome) establishes the genetic sex of the embryo:

XX results in female development
XY results in male development
This genetic blueprint directs the subsequent development of reproductive structures and secondary sex characteristics. However, while sex is genetically determined at conception, the physical differentiation of male or female reproductive organs occurs later in embryonic development.

Some rare conditions, such as intersex variations, can complicate this binary classification, but genetically speaking, the assignment to male or female sex is determined at conception.

[Yonivore]

no . That was the whole point of the OP.

That's not how I view the opening post. I saw it as an attempt to make an invalid point.

[ChumpDumper]

AI for actual political discussion is middle school book report lazy.

But since you brought it up, what is Trump's policy for intersex US citizens?

[ChumpDumper]

That's not how I view the opening post.

no

[Yonivore]

AI for actual political discussion is middle school book report lazy.

But since you brought it up, what is Trump's policy for intersex US citizens?

I don't know. Do you?

[Yonivore]

AI for actual political discussion is middle school book report lazy.

But, is it factual?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know. Do you?

He's the one changing the policy.

You're his cheerleader of Trump and this specific policy change.

They are not included in this EO which has everything to do with sex. Intersex people exist -- hundreds of thousands of them in the US.

What about them?

[Yonivore]

AI for actual political discussion is middle school book report lazy.

You may be right for political discussions but, for scientific questions, who has the time to research an answer to such questions, for a political forum?

I went back and asked ChatGPT to source it's response:

"On the question I asked earlier about "belonging" to one sex or the other, what were your sources for that information."

The information I provided about sex determination at conception is based on well-established biological and genetic principles found in disciplines such as embryology, genetics, and developmental biology. Key sources for this information include:

Genetics and Molecular Biology

Standard biology textbooks such as Molecular Biology of the Cell (Alberts et al.) and Genetics: Analysis and Principles (Brooker) explain that the combination of sex chromosomes (XX or XY) at fertilization determines an individual's genetic sex.
The presence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome typically initiates male development, while its absence leads to female development.
Human Embryology and Developmental Biology

Langman’s Medical Embryology (Sadler) describes how the bipotential gonads differentiate into testes or ovaries based on genetic signals.
The differentiation of internal and external reproductive structures occurs later in gestation, guided by hormonal influences.
Clinical and Medical Research

Studies on sex determination and differentiation (e.g., in journals like Nature Reviews Genetics and The American Journal of Human Genetics) discuss rare conditions like intersex variations, where chromosomal, hormonal, or anatomical differences lead to atypical development.

Official Health and Research Ins utions

The National Ins utes of Health (NIH) and the American College of Medical Genetics and Genomics (ACMG) provide clinical guidelines on genetic sex determination and intersex conditions.
The World Health Organization (WHO) recognizes biological sex as distinct from gender but acknowledges the existence of variations in sex development.
Would you like me to provide more technical details or sources on any particular aspect of sex determination?

Call me lazy but, I don't pretend to have a PhD in biology, embryology, or genetics. If you do, I'd be interested in how your responses to my questions would differ.

[ChumpDumper]

You may be right for political discussions but, for scientific questions, who has the time to research an answer to such questions, for a political forum?

I went back and asked ChatGPT to source it's response:




Call me lazy but, I don't pretend to have a PhD in biology, embryology, or genetics. If you do, I'd be interested in how your responses to my questions would differ.

If I pretend to have a PhD in those subjects?

[Yonivore]

He's the one changing the policy.

You're his cheerleader of Trump and this specific policy change.

They are not included in this EO which has everything to do with sex. Intersex people exist -- hundreds of thousands of them in the US.

What about them?

If I come across the answer, I'll get back to you. I simply don't know.

Name a prominent intersex person raising a stink about this Executive Order.

[ChumpDumper]

If I come across the answer, I'll get back to you. I simply don't know.

You didn't ask ChatGPT?

Name a prominent intersex person raising a stink about this Executive Order.

Why?

"Raising a stink"?

You're really going out of your way to minimize, if not erase, this entire population.

That seems to be the point tbh.

[Yonivore]

You didn't ask ChatGPT?

Why?

I did. That and searched Google, as well as DuckDuckGo. None of them had an answer.

"Raising a stink"?

You're really going out of your way to minimize, if not erase, this entire population.

Which population? Intersex-afflicted individuals or people who fantasize about being the opposite sex?

That seems to be the point tbh.

Not the point at all.

[ChumpDumper]

I did. That and searched Google, as well as DuckDuckGo. None of them had an answer.

For the purposes of the Trump government, it's safe to say they don't exist and shouldn't be addressed.

Which population? Intersex-afflicted individuals or people who fantasize about being the opposite sex?;

Afflicted?

Fantasize?

your words

Not the point at all.

Sure seems to be the point of the EO. Erase anything that doesn't fit the text. Done and done.