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    Hey, he might have just been trolling. But is was a definite choice. Why did he choose that?
    Who knows? Oh wait, Elon knows. What has he said?

    He is certainly very right wing these days. His family has quite a fun racist history too.
    Sins of the father, eh? And, Right Wing <> Nazi

    Would his being a facsist actually be a BAD thing in your opinion?

    Do you think fascism, as you understand it, is bad?
    Holy , Chump. I kind of remember why I started hiding your posts. You don't really have any ideas of your own, do you. You're just into flame wars and hectoring.

    Yes, fascism is bad. So, it communism; Naziism, etc... What's your point?

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    Hey, he might have just been trolling. But is was a definite choice. Why did he choose that?

    He is certainly very right wing these days. His family has quite a fun racist history too.

    Would his being a facsist actually be a BAD thing in your opinion?

    Do you think fascism, as you understand it, is bad?
    I'm sitting here laughing. Have you really managed to maintain this type posting over these long years I've been gone? Who was your victim after I left? I owe them an apology.

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    Not even debatable…

    nazi’s do what nazi’s have always done…
    hate
    preach hate
    destroy
    gaslight

    please stop with the “the smartest, richest , coolest guy on the planet- just never learned what a ing nazi salute is…and just because he just openly supported those rt wing nazi’s in germany lately- doesnt mean he did what our eyes saw!”

    ing nazi lovers

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    Who knows? Oh wait, Elon knows. What has he said?


    Sins of the father, eh? And, Right Wing <> Nazi


    Holy , Chump. I kind of remember why I started hiding your posts. You don't really have any ideas of your own, do you. You're just into flame wars and hectoring.
    you just lifted an entire Babylon Bee article and pretend you're an original, independent thinker?

    Yes, fascism is bad. So, it communism; Naziism, etc... What's your point?
    Why is fascism bad, in your opinion?

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    you just lifted an entire Babylon Bee article and pretend you're an original, independent thinker?
    It was just an example of how things are taken out of context to try and prove a point. I didn't have time to do the work the Bee did.

    Why is fascism bad, in your opinion?
    When did you start caring about my opinion? off, gnat. Either engage is meaningful debate or simply ignore me. I'm close to putting you back on ignore.

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    It was just an example of how things are taken out of context to try and prove a point. I didn't have time to do the work the Bee did.
    Glass houses.


    When did you start caring about my opinion? off, gnat. Either engage is meaningful debate or simply ignore me. I'm close to putting you back on ignore.
    OK, what would cons ute meaningful debate?

    A memewar?

    I've been trying to engage right wing ST folk for months asking WHAT THEY THINK about things beyond "Trump is the bestest daddy I prayed for all these years and everything will be perfect now." If you don't want to or can't or are afraid to actually have a discussion about politics, that's fine.

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    I'm not sure what out-of-context claim I've made but, I'd be inerested.

    OK, what would cons ute meaningful debate?

    A memewar?

    I've been trying to engage right wing ST folk for months asking WHAT THEY THINK about things beyond "Trump is the bestest daddy I prayed for all these years and everything will be perfect now." If you don't want to or can't or are afraid to actually have a discussion about politics, that's fine.
    Not being one of those people, I guess, to me, meaningful debate would not include question for which you already know the answer but, instead, be a rebuttal to what has been said.

    For instance, Chump; instead of shooting irrelevant questions at me maybe, if you disagree with the premise of the thread, you say why the 51 intelligence officials shouldn't have their clearances yanked. Then, tell me why you believe what they did wasn't lying in attempt to sway the 2020 election.

    I'll be honest, I've come to realization that what happened in 2020 was a blessing. I don't think Donald Trump would have been any more successful in advancing his agenda in a consecutive 2nd than he will be in this term, due to ALL the abuses committed by the previous administration.

    It's going to be an interesting 4 years, eh?

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    I'm not sure what out-of-context claim I've made but, I'd be inerested.
    Nothing you have posted is original.


    Not being one of those people, I guess, to me, meaningful debate would not include question for which you already know the answer but, instead, be a rebuttal to what has been said.

    For instance, Chump; instead of shooting irrelevant questions at me maybe, if you disagree with the premise of the thread, you say why the 51 intelligence officials shouldn't have their clearances yanked. Then, tell me why you believe what they did wasn't lying in attempt to sway the 2020 election.

    I'll be honest, I've come to realization that what happened in 2020 was a blessing. I don't think Donald Trump would have been any more successful in advancing his agenda in a consecutive 2nd than he will be in this term, due to ALL the abuses committed by the previous administration.

    It's going to be an interesting 4 years, eh?
    I don't care about security clearances that aren't being used anyway. It's performative but really does nothing -- I suppose that's why you like it so much.

    And no -- I DO NOT KNOW why YOU personally think fascism is bad. That's why I asked.

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    So, you believe Elon Musk is a Nazi sympathizer?
    Let's ask Elon's AI:



    https://x.com/mizchief/status/1881508657478992233

    You can say Elon has a ty algorithm, I guess, but many people are talking....

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    Let's ask Elon's AI:



    https://x.com/mizchief/status/1881508657478992233

    You can say Elon has a ty algorithm, I guess, but many people are talking....
    Meh, let 'em talk.

    I haven't seen anything that makes me believe he's either fascist or a Nazi.

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    Meh, let 'em talk.

    I haven't seen anything that makes me believe he's either fascist or a Nazi.
    So why, in your opinion, did he endorse the AfD?

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    So why, in your opinion, did he endorse the AfD?
    I'm not into German politics but, if I venture an uneducated guess, it's because the AfD is more conservative that whoever they're running against.

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    I'm not into German politics but, if I venture an uneducated guess, it's because the AfD is more conservative that whoever they're running against.
    Well by all means don't attempt to educate yourself.

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    Well by all means don't attempt to educate yourself.
    I'd be more interested if I were a German. I'm not.

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    I'd be more interested if I were a German. I'm not.
    So you don't really want to see any evidence that Elon supports extreme right politics.

    Your curiosity is clearly selective.

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    So you don't really want to see any evidence that Elon supports extreme right politics.
    Sure, show me the evidence. Does the AfD identify as a fascist or Nazi party?

    Your curiosity is clearly selective.
    It has to be. There's only so many hours in the day. Who knows, I may pick this up and see if I can discern what it is your concerned about.

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    Sure, show me the evidence....Who knows, I may pick this up and see if I can discern what it is your concerned about.
    same old contradictions

    Either do it or don't.

    No amount of evidence I post will be enough for you. You'll move the goalpost like you just did.

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    same old contradictions

    Either do it or don't.
    Okay.

    No amount of evidence I post will be enough for you. You'll move the goalpost like you just did.
    Well, you haven't shown any yet.

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    You won't.

    Well, you haven't shown any yet.
    Ask your ChatGPT.

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    Alright, I guess we'll see.

    Whoops! I showed some curiosity and, based on ChatGPT's response, I've even less curious about German politics. Their Leftist whiners are much like our Leftist whiners.

    Here's what ChatGPT came up with:

    Elon Musk's endorsement of Germany's far-right **Alternative for Germany (AfD)** party appears to be based on several critical issues he believes are pivotal for Germany's future:

    1. **Economic Recovery**: Musk has expressed concerns about Germany's economic stagnation and believes the AfD's policies could revitalize the economy. In his op-ed for *Welt am Sonntag*, he criticized traditional parties for their economic approaches, suggesting that the AfD offers more pragmatic solutions.

    2. **Energy Supply**: Musk has highlighted the importance of a stable and sustainable energy supply for Germany. He argues that the AfD's stance on energy policies aligns with the need for reliable energy sources, which is crucial for industries like Tesla's Gigafactory in Grünheide.

    3. **Migration Control**: Musk has pointed out that uncontrolled migration poses challenges to social cohesion and economic stability. He believes the AfD's policies on migration address these concerns more directly than those of other parties.

    It's important to note that Musk's support for the AfD has been met with significant criticism. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stated that while freedom of speech is upheld, it should not support extreme-right views. Additionally, Musk's involvement in German politics has raised concerns about foreign influence in domestic affairs.

    In summary, Musk's support for the AfD is rooted in his views on economic recovery, energy stability, and migration control. However, this endorsement has sparked debates about the appropriateness of foreign influence in Germany's political landscape.
    Here's what I get from that:

    Musk believes Germany's survival is dependent on economic recovery, energy supply, and migration control. Further, he appears to believe the AfD Party has the best plan for all three.

    Meanwhile, his detractors (in Germany and the EU, at least) seem to be butthurt about his influence not his potentially being a fascist or Nazi sympathizer.

    Can I go back to being uncurious now?

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    Alright, I guess we'll see.


    Whoops! I showed some curiosity and, based on ChatGPT's response, I've even less curious about German politics. Their Leftist whiners are much like our Leftist whiners.

    Here's what ChatGPT came up with:


    Here's what I get from that:

    Musk believes Germany's survival is dependent on economic recovery, energy supply, and migration control. Further, he appears to believe the AfD Party has the best plan for all three.

    Meanwhile, his detractors (in Germany and the EU, at least) seem to be butthurt about his influence not his potentially being a fascist or Nazi sympathizer.

    Can I go back to being uncurious now?
    Whoops!


    The Alternative for Germany (AfD) is often considered a far-right party due to its positions on various political issues, its association with nationalist and anti-immigrant rhetoric, and its tendency to embrace more extreme ideologies. Here are some key reasons why the AfD is considered far-right:

    Nationalism and Anti-Immigrant Sentiment: The AfD has a strong focus on German nationalism and has frequently expressed opposition to immigration, particularly from Muslim-majority countries. The party has been critical of Germany’s refugee policies, especially during the migrant crisis of 2015, and has advocated for stricter immigration controls.

    Populism and Anti-Elite Rhetoric: The AfD often uses populist language, portraying itself as a voice for "the people" against the political elite, mainstream media, and established political parties. This rhetoric appeals to individuals who feel disenfranchised or alienated by the current political establishment.

    Euroscepticism: The AfD has historically been critical of the European Union, advocating for policies that challenge EU integration and questioning Germany’s role in the eurozone. Some members have even expressed a desire for Germany to leave the EU or abandon the euro currency.

    Opposition to Multiculturalism and Political Correctness: The party has often criticized multiculturalism, political correctness, and the so-called "Islamization" of Germany, arguing that these trends undermine German culture and values.

    Links to Far-Right Extremism: While the AfD leadership has occasionally tried to distance itself from extremist factions, the party has been associated with far-right movements and has had members with controversial views. Some AfD members have made statements that are seen as promoting xenophobia, Holocaust denial, or glorifying Nazi-era symbolism.

    Historical Revisionism: A segment of the AfD has expressed views that downplay or deny the significance of Nazi crimes, including questioning Germany’s post-World War II guilt. While the party leadership officially condemns such views, these elements have contributed to its far-right label.

    Although not all AfD members adhere to the most extreme positions, the party as a whole is widely regarded as a far-right or right-wing populist party in Germany’s political spectrum due to these tendencies.

    Whoopsydoodle!

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    Whoops!


    The Alternative for Germany (AfD) is often considered a far-right party due to its positions on various political issues, its association with nationalist and anti-immigrant rhetoric, and its tendency to embrace more extreme ideologies. Here are some key reasons why the AfD is considered far-right:

    Nationalism and Anti-Immigrant Sentiment: The AfD has a strong focus on German nationalism and has frequently expressed opposition to immigration, particularly from Muslim-majority countries. The party has been critical of Germany’s refugee policies, especially during the migrant crisis of 2015, and has advocated for stricter immigration controls.

    Populism and Anti-Elite Rhetoric: The AfD often uses populist language, portraying itself as a voice for "the people" against the political elite, mainstream media, and established political parties. This rhetoric appeals to individuals who feel disenfranchised or alienated by the current political establishment.

    Euroscepticism: The AfD has historically been critical of the European Union, advocating for policies that challenge EU integration and questioning Germany’s role in the eurozone. Some members have even expressed a desire for Germany to leave the EU or abandon the euro currency.

    Opposition to Multiculturalism and Political Correctness: The party has often criticized multiculturalism, political correctness, and the so-called "Islamization" of Germany, arguing that these trends undermine German culture and values.

    Links to Far-Right Extremism: While the AfD leadership has occasionally tried to distance itself from extremist factions, the party has been associated with far-right movements and has had members with controversial views. Some AfD members have made statements that are seen as promoting xenophobia, Holocaust denial, or glorifying Nazi-era symbolism.

    Historical Revisionism: A segment of the AfD has expressed views that downplay or deny the significance of Nazi crimes, including questioning Germany’s post-World War II guilt. While the party leadership officially condemns such views, these elements have contributed to its far-right label.

    Although not all AfD members adhere to the most extreme positions, the party as a whole is widely regarded as a far-right or right-wing populist party in Germany’s political spectrum due to these tendencies.

    Whoopsydoodle!
    Again, far right <> fascist or Nazi.

    And, again, I'm no longer interested in German politics.

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    Or, you could simply watch the entire clip and know it was a gesture of heartfelt gra ude to the assembled crowd. He repeated the gesture to those behind, as well. Quickly followed by the phrase, "My heart goes out to you!" He was simply, if awkwardly, expressing a sentiment of gra ude.

    ChumpDumper, for you (or anyone, for that matter) to suggest Elon Musk is mentally impaired is laughable...and, possibly a sign of mental impairment. I don't think it's any secret he is on the autism spectrum somewhere but, as we all should know by now, that doesn't correlate with intelligence. He's exhibit A of how to overcome that condition and be successful.



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    Does Walz support the AfD?

    Does Walz platform fascists and neo-Nazis?

    Please answer truthfully.

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    Or, you could simply watch the entire clip and know it was a gesture of heartfelt gra ude to the assembled crowd. He repeated the gesture to those behind, as well. Quickly followed by the phrase, "My heart goes out to you!" He was simply, if awkwardly, expressing a sentiment of gra ude.

    ChumpDumper, for you (or anyone, for that matter) to suggest Elon Musk is mentally impaired is laughable...and, possibly a sign of mental impairment. I don't think it's any secret he is on the autism spectrum somewhere but, as we all should know by now, that doesn't correlate with intelligence. He's exhibit A of how to overcome that condition and be successful.



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