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Sure thing goofy….you're the one being called miss around herestop trying to project your insecurities on others, just accept it and transform like Optimus Prime
DJM trade was bad for the Hawks but they’re still sitting fine. Trae is in prime years while Johnson/Daniel’s and Zach can still grow and develop. Hunter having a breakthrough season last year helps a ton too. Trea, Hunter and Johnson would all be the second best player on the Spurs roster by a mile. Daniel’s and Sochan are about the same. Hawks roster is better built top to bottom.
Sure thing goofy….you're the one being called miss around here
Hawks are 20th in remaining strength of schedule. They were 9th about a month ago.
Since the Hawks aren't tanking, looks like the Spurs are making sure the torch won't hit the ground.
Wouldn't mind LaVine who's averaging 24/5/4 with 51/45/81 shooting splits. He shouldn't cost a ton because of injury history and remaining contract. Very intriguing buy low candidate. I'd love him and Vuch in a packaged deal with the Bulls regaining full control of their pick.
On the Vecenie podcast, Sam suggested that Lavine's value would simply be a contract that ends sooner (to help CHI save long term money as they rebuild) and a minor asset. They suggested Middleton something minor.
We could theoretically do Collins and Barnes, but that creates other holes for us and I don't think we'd do HB like that.
We gotta stop being the nice guy when it comes to stuff like this. It doesn't make us any more attractive to FAs. NBA is a business. Treat it as such.
I don't disagree, but I don't get a vote. Until the FO changes, I think this is the reality we are stuck with.
Well if he's correct then KJ/Barnes/Zollins plus the Bulls pick and maybe a second rounder or two would probably net LaVine and Vuch. Probably wont happen but that would really improve the roster with minimal pick loss. It would screw up roster construction for this season but this team isn't going anywhere as currently constructed.
Lavine feels like the player Vassell should be, in my limited knowledge of him. He seems a lot more aggressive and consistent. If we're trading Vassell he's one of the only guys I'd be okay doing it for.
LaVine is a rich man's Dev and is actually capable of being a third option scorer on a legit championship contender.
Barnes waived his trade kicker to come here, but can the Spurs and Barnes agree to reinstate it before a trade?
That's a great question. I suspect (though I'm not sure) that a trade kicker is a lot like a No Trade Clause where it gets waived on a per occurrence basis, not permanently. So Barnes would have waived it for the SAC-SAS trade, but it is not back in place for any subsequent trades. I'm not sure about that though, if I find time later I'll see if I can look it up.
Collins + KJ + Malaki + Wesley works in the trade machine and saves $20+M in the final year and they can probably flip KJ before year 3 to save more. I'm not a huge Zach Lavine fan, but I'd pay that price as a roll of the dice.
At this point I'm pretty convinced we're not going to do anything (or be sellers if anything). It's not my favorite path, but I am getting the feeling the Spurs will choose to build organically through the draft. Hoping our scouting department is on the top of their game.
That's pretty depressing tbh
Well, I'll also provide the caveat that I don't know about ... it's just my gut feeling. Hopefully I'll be wrong and pleasantly surprised.
That is the reality and y’all know it lol
Hawks with 2nd loss in a row. Keep up the good work boys
Spurs FO going slow, preaching patience, in the process securing the safety of their livelihood for several years while collecting checks to pay for their vacation homes, so to speak. Yeah, they aren't doing anything unless Wemby politely puts pressure on them, in my uninformed opinion. Which gets to the draft. I've seen a couple of approaches mentioned: go for high upside to get the second star or focus on safe playable though one dimensional role players.
I'd be ok with high upside if I hadn't had to witness the Primo debacle of reaching for a high character star in the making who actually sucked and was a sexual predator/fraud.
In Wright's defense, he seems to have pivoted towards high IQ gritty defensive players who need polishing, aka a serviceable jumpshot. Castle and Sochan are somehow both core players now but also could vanish to the second unit if they can't shoot.
So...if we are drafting in the teens again, trying to find a shooter makes sense to some degree. But maybe the Spurs are just horrible at teaching shooting? Still not sure how Branham came in with a great shooting signal and has basically just the bed? He must have inherited Lonnie Walker's old locker. Hard to say.
In other words, I'm at a loss for what Wright should prioritize in the draft because I'm not totally convinced he can see the trees from the grand forest, nor that our staff is up to the task. Getting more boring Harrison Barnes types who can shoot and not wreck the offense might be the simplest most effective way going forward through free agency and opportunistic trades, because that seems to be his approach: trying to squeeze in on the margins and grab some crumbs.
I didn't realize I was this pessimistic until I finished typing. But hey, I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Fantastic post sir. Perfectly sums it up. This is just what it's like being a Spurs fan right, which is absolutely wild considering we lucked into Wemby.
It feels like the Spurs are now stuck as a treadmill team, with no clear path to becoming more than a .500-ish team, and that Wemby is just marking time, learning the NBA game, until he’s ready to make his move out of town.
It's kind of funny, because most people here would have said there was no way this was a .500 team at the beginning of the season.
only part of this i have a gripe with is the notion that Primo was a high upside player
The Spurs look better on the court than last year because Chris Paul is that good. He's also 39 years old. We won't look that good if he is injured, traded, or retires after this season. I'm fine with the Spurs not making the play in. It ups their chances of getting difference makers they need in a loaded draft. Yes, we've had lottery picks in the past, but other than Wemby, most of the picks have been at the back end of the lottery or in years where the lottery did not yield any standout players. I don't hate Vassel and Sochan like a lot of people do here and I'm not giving up on them being good players on a playoff team, but getting a lottery pick in this draft could really help in the long run.
And Wemby doesn't seem like a quitter or someone that would jump ship in 4 years of a total rebuild.
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