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Things I posted in 2023:
If the spurs don't want to make a big splash, this is the kind of smaller move that makes a ton of sense - White works as a combo guard and high volume 3 point shooter who can actually run a bench unit and also play next to either Vassell or Castle. His contract is a bargain too. If all it costs is Chicago's draft pick +/- a couple seconds and Collins or something that's a no brainer - cheaper than Collin Sexton and does similar things.
Things I posted in 2023:
How good is his defense
I think league average to slightly below last year, and then pretty bad this year. About what you'd expect for a sixth man type guy getting paid 12 million a year.
He ranks 4th percentile in Crafted DPM. Branham/Keldon level bad, but that's just one metric. Could dive in and see if other metrics paint a different picture.
Coby White aside, my biggest concern is that we have an asset at risk because Brian Wright waited too long. The CHA pick once had value as a trade asset (not huge value, but more than it does now). Now the CHI pick is losing value as a trade asset. Once CHI starts shipping off guys like Lavine, Vooch and Coby - it will be obvious that they are entering into a prolonged tank and that CHI pick is likely to not convey and thus won't be nearly as valuable.
Our "war chest" is diminishing in value by the day.
Looks like he's pretty consistently a defender, at least if you go by D-LEBRON.
Consistent high performing offensive player though. Would be that bench scorer archetype I've been pining for. I can live with subpar defense if he delivers the goods on offense as a 6th man.
Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.
I'm still hoping Spurs call about Yabusele.
GrossHere is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.
Ouch, Coby's career progression has hit the other side of the mountain.Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.
To be fair to Coby, his DARKO O-DPM looks pretty nice. But... this guy doesn't look like he'll ever be anything more than a 6th man.
Zollins, Malaki, Chicago pick, and however many SRP for Coby white will be a steal. We get to rid zollins contract, rid Malaki and give him a new start, Chicago pick isn’t looking and SRP are basically cash considerations. White, Tre, keldon, sochan, Vassell would make a fun up and down second unit. Can’t d but can run.
Hes not giving up on a max contract. Be real.
Ive got season tickets and thats 100% false
I like the idea of upgrading the CHI and CHA picks for better assets, but i've always been cool on Coby White. This helps explains why.Here is his Darko D-DPM Career Progression. I put Devin up there as a comparison not to pick on Devin, but just as a frame of reference. White is owed $12.9MM next year, the last year of his deal. If he's successful in his role here, he'll be due for a significant raise pretty quickly. He'd be a good pick up if we were looking to make the Play-in this year and Play-offs next, but I'm not sure he fits the slow build approach the Spurs seem to be taking.
Coby White somehow would be a big upgrade and a disappointment all at once. I love how he ramped up his offensive game last year, seemingly out of nowhere, or at least what I was paying attention to. I didn't realize his defense was so abysmal so that gives me some pause. But if the key part of said trade is giving Chicago their pick back, then yes, for sure. Like Sacramento, Chicago went out of its way to trade for DDR, so they might be stupid and gullible enough to fall for something. But hard to say.
Regardless, he would probably supercharge our first team on offense, possibly even giving Wemby, finally, someone with shooting and attack juice that we've desperately needed, even if he really should only be a 6th Man.
I was curious about trying to trade for him last year so still interested, but to a point.
Lemme throw some alternative DARKO charts at you and see how you feel... if you could agree on an extension with Coby at 4/78 (Malik Monk's contract) to be the teams 6th man... how do you feel? The similarities are pretty wild, tbh. Didn't expect this when I pulled it up.
4/$60 would be reasonable. 4/$72 is a real stretch.
I'm 100% positive that if the Bulls made Colby available they could do much better than anything we put together involving Zach Collins
Even that supposedly coveted 25 Hawks pick is mostly useless now
Definitely would be interested in Coby White. Preferred Darius Garland but he appears off the market. Only other trade target I like is Lauri in the off-season.
Last edited by Dverde; 01-23-2025 at 01:32 PM.
Speaking of the bulls, not necessarily a trade, but would anybody want to try and sign Lonzo in the offseason on a cheaper short term contract and/or trade for him to get rid of a Collins contract? He's expiring at the end of this season. Bad, bad history of knee injury, but I think more modern cartilage techniques have had some pretty good success in sports medicine albeit there's less data for elite athletes. His shooting percentages this year are deceiving because he's basically shooting all 3s, but it looks like he's having a decent defensive impact and his impact has always gone way beyond counting stats with his ability to juice an offense.
Historically I think even guys who return successfully from knee surgery don't really feel like themselves until year 2, so this year's performance may even undersell how good he can be. Even shooting 33% from 3 and 37% overall this year, he's a net positive player by pretty much every advanced metric. If Paul leaves after this season and the Spurs want to move on from Tre, Lonzo might not be a bad option on the open market.
I wouldn’t trust Lonzo’s health. He doesn’t have cartilage in his knee, feels like he’s patched up in order to get another contract. Some team will give him a 3-year backup PG type contract and he’ll play 20 games for them. Hope I’m wrong as he seems like a good dude but I wouldn’t risk it for the Spurs unless it’s a salary dump deal with Collins’s contract.
I'll preface by saying I think there is a less than 1% chance CHI does this... but here is an idea to think about the Bulls in a different way.
Supposedly the Bulls want to get off of the disastrous Patrick Williams contract. He's got 4 years left of his flat 5/90 ($18MM/yr). And make no mistake, Patrick Williams has not been good at all.
Would you trade Collins (only 1 year left, so saves CHI 3 additional years) for Patrick Williams and CHI agreeing to lift protections on their pick this year? What if it was narrowing it to a Top 3 protected?
You get stuck with Williams, maybe you can rehab his value somehow, but you get a legit chance at a top pick.
Vassell was teammates with Patrick Williams at FSU. He could be more of a replacement for Barnes if the plan is to trade him. At least he has proven he can shoot the 3 pointer on a consistent basis.
Cool idea! I say all day, every day you make that deal happen. If the pick conveys to next year unprotected if they get lucky this season, then even more of a Yeah!
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