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Why would you pay this much + Turner's future contract for a 10-15-min a game back up big? There's no way he plays with Wemby and guards 4s on the perimeter.
I’ve always wondered why Turner never broke out, even as a defensive ace like Gobert etc. People will blame the small market, but I do worry he has limitations we’re not aware of since we don’t watch that team on the daily.
In theory though that would be a terrorizing front court.
Why would you pay this much + Turner's future contract for a 10-15-min a game back up big? There's no way he plays with Wemby and guards 4s on the perimeter.
I do think he’s one to keep an eye on as he reaches free agency this summer for the much needed C depth (as is Brook Lopez). Apparently given his short deal length Indy can’t extend him, or else I think he’s already off the board. Wonder what he’ll command and what teams have the $$ to offer it?
There are very few teams with significant cap space that would need him, so Pacers are probably safe waiting it out. Detroit, perhaps, the biggest threat.
As for the Spurs, I think he's a uniquely bad fit as he occupies the same space as Wemby offensively and defensively. He can't guard on the perimeter and there's no way you're pulling the best rim protector in a generation in order to fit in someone like Turner, or anyone for that matter.
Turner is a starter, he won't accept a bench role or contract.
They're not true centers, but if we're talking free agents Naz Reid and Aldama should be the primary targets.
They can play with Wemby or fill in as backup bigs, giving us more options.
If we're talking traditional bigs, there won't be many good options this summer.
Looney looks washed, maybe Capela would be decent enough.
I agree. Love both. A big man rotation of Wemby, Reid and a traditional 4 would work wonderfully.
Memhis are probably not letting Aldama leave, unless they go deep in the Jimmy Butler business and offer him an extension as well, but it'd be very expensive for Minnesota to keep Naz.
Jimmy said he doesn't want to go to Memphis.
They're at $162M in salaries for the next season without Aldama and Kennard, cap is projected at $155M.
They can keep both, but JJJ's extension will kick in a year later, they want to keep the flexibility. I think they'll try to move Smart, he keeps getting injured.
Minnesota's situation is more complicated. They probably thought Randle will decline his option and walk, but he's been underwhelming and I doubt anyone will offer him $30M a year with so little cap space around the league.
If he picks up his option they're at $190M without Naz and NAW.
NAW is another player I'd really like to get and they definitely can't keep him.
They'll definitely try to move Conley ($10M) and Randle ($31M), but someone else will also have to go.
A year ago I would've definitely been in on McDaniels, but his shot has regressed badly, he's got the same contract as Devin.
Naz has been loyal to Minnesota, but we'll see how things go with them obviously being on the decline.
There's also the question of his asking price.
He's putting up 13/5 in just 25 minutes, but the question is would his output go up enough if he was playing 33 minutes.
20 to 25 a year would be fair, anything more and it's a risky deal.
Memphis have a ton of flexibility so I doubt they’d let players like Aldama go unless it’s a wild overpay. They can’t extend JJJ because of his declining contract and will have to wait until he’s a FA. If they need to move players to fit his new contract they’ll do it then.
Naz’s value is difficult to predict because of the few teams with cap space and Minnnesota’s financial situation which likely excludes the possibility of a sign and trade. I’d expect it to be closer to 30 mil on average, meaning a starting number of around 26-27 mil. Spurs can totally do it. Not cheap but with the cap going up 10% every year it won’t be that bad either. Basically a 4th banana money.
One I think I could see the Spurs doing, since they like to be nice guys around the league and help facilitate other team's desires:
Some kind of 3-team deal where MIN gets expirings that give them the flexibility to resign NAW and Naz this offseason, and the Spurs get Randle and more more draft capital.
The problem of course is that MIN is out of valuable picks to trade. They could send us a 2028 swap, and then a 1-9 protected DET27 pick (that is subject to be pushed back due to picks that DET owes NYK). They could also give us the 1-5 portion of their 29 picks that they owe Utah (not a super value pick to own if you are the Spurs, since it would just have to extinguish to seconds if it doesn't convey).
I don't think this is realistic, but I could see a scenario where we get a guy that no one really wants (like Randle) that has one more year left on his deal. This would align with the idea that the Spurs are gearing up for Summer 2026 Cap Flexibility.
Of course, if this happens it will mean that next season will be yet another one where we fail to live up to our potential due to roster construction.
Middleton is the other primary guy on the list of situations similar to Randle's, but again MIL really has no draft capital. Maybe MIL takes Beal and some of PHX's new ty picks and MIL sends us Middleton and Pat Connaughton
Brian Wright to Spurs fans:
4/90 to 4/100 for Santi might be a fair deal that puts MEM in a tough spot and lands us Aldama. Whether the Spurs want to play rough in RFA, however, is another story.
LaRavia is definitely gettable though. MEM can't offer him more than a $5.1MM/yr starting salary because they declined his option. He'll almost certainly be on a new team next year and I hope he's a priority target for us.
I'd do Keldon+Tre for Middleton.
Some might say that Bucks should add picks, but I'd do it because PATFO will never send Kledon to a tanking team due to their family values.
I'd rather eat those $34M Middleton has next season than have Keldon's $34M spread over two years.
And Middleton would surely still be more useful than Keldon to us considering how badly we lack spacing.
He'd also be the second best playmaker on the team after CP3.
Bucks could actually use Tre because they don't have any reliable backups for Dame and Keldon's IQ would perfectly fit Doc's gameplan.
I don't know who would say MIL would need to add picks... Middleton sucks this year, but he's still better than Keldon and his deal ends sooner.
This is a proposal where I think the Bucks GM kindly says "thanks but no thanks". MIL either wants to get off of Middleton's money (by trading him for deals that expire this year) or add a useful player for now (like Lavine). Adding Keldon is the worst of both worlds.
I mean there are reports that Bucks have some interest in Beal if they also receive a pick for him, not a well ran franchise.
I just know that Keldon and Collins simply can't be on next season's roster.
Yeah, MIL mistakenly feels like Beal is in the "useful player for now" category. But they also felt like hiring Doc Rivers was a good idea... so like you said, not a well run franchise.
They're $30 mil under the tax next season with 12 players under contract and a late first round pick. I doubt keeping Aldama at a reasonable deal, like the one you're proposing, would be a problem at all. They're losing LaRavia and maybe Kennard, depending on what they do with Smart's contract, but in any case they have plenty of flexibility and I doubt Aldama would be allowed to leave unless it's a wild overpay. This is where Sean Marks could pull an Otto Porter or something, but doubt the Spurs would have a chance unfortunately.
We have a trade...
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The Storm are acquiring the No. 2 pick in the 2025 WNBA draft and Li Yueru from the Sparks in this three-team trade, with the Sparks getting No. 9 from Seattle and the Aces receiving No. 13 from LA, sources tell me, @ramonashelburne
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I don't know about when it comes to the WNBA, other than Caitlin and Sabrina are very good, and I want Becky back...
With that said, it seemed like Plum and Becky were close... I'm sure there is nothing more to read into this... but I'll go ahead and stir the pot and say this means Becky is coming home
Zollins & Branham and a future 2nd to our pals in Toronto for Olynick & Davion Mitc . At first glance it looks like a wash, but both incoming players play better defense - which we desperately need and might be enough to get us into the play in. Toronto is tanking so now might be the time to take advantage of their bad situation. Actually I think Toronto would do it for just seconds, but at least this way we get rid of players that have outlived their usefulness in san antonio.
Last edited by jjspur; 01-26-2025 at 10:23 PM.
Just an aside you made me think of... Toronto has botched their Post-Kawhi experience even worse than we did. They gave up first round picks to acquire Jakob and Olynik+Agbaji, both moves helped them get even worse than they were previously. Ogbaji has been a decent role player for them, but not good enough (and will never be good enough) for a tanking team to give up an FRP for. And they did this AFTER trading away Siakam and OG. I will never understand what the thinking was there.
Trading with inept franchises is one of the best ways to get value. It's like picking on the calling stations at a poker game.
Kind of like the saying that if you can't spot the sucker at the table in the first 30 minutes, you're the sucker.
I see where Isaiah Thomas is back playing for Utah G league. The Spurs may be the only team in the league that he hasn’t suited up for. Doesn’t fit the culture?
Butler got himself suspended indefinitely after being told he was coming off the bench
Haven't listened to this yet, but Tynan had Jake Fischer on to discuss the trade deadline:
https://matthewtynan.substack.com/p/...s-jake-fischer
Edit: okay, I listened. Basically, we're doing nothing. Be patient. Check back in the summer. Maybe we'll do something then. Or maybe you'll just need more patience at that point as well.
Last edited by scott; 01-27-2025 at 09:19 PM.
I listened as well. I liked the Giannis stuff. The Ingram talk (although not a huge fan) was interesting if we're talking about a discount.
I'll go out on a limb and say I don't see Giannis being available this summer.
Without going into detail, I know some people who are connected to another player for MIL and apparently Giannis is an asshole who doesn't have any kind of relationship with his teammates. FWIW.
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