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I like Sochan overall but his last game was horrific. It was the whole team as well. Probably all hung over.
It all comes down to his extension.
Between 80 and 90 million over 5 years would be fine with the rising cap.
Not worth anything more as a glue guy.
As long as he doesn't have a functional jumpshot, glue guy is his ceiling.
And it doesn't look like he'll develop one any time soon.
Giving out another 150/5 extension to a player who can't be a consistent contributor would be a disaster.
He's good at certain aspects of the game, but we've been so bad for so long that we're grasping for straws with these fundamentally flawed players.
I like Sochan overall but his last game was horrific. It was the whole team as well. Probably all hung over.
He’s not the type of player that can be played a ton of minutes in the modern nba. There’s for too much skill in the league to have a guy like Sochan be a major piece of your roster. They have only Wemby and Castle, which means the Spurs still need to acquire THREE more starter level players for next season. They’re not going to find that in the draft. We need some serious changes by this trade deadline.
Me gearing up for Sochan's extension:
Who's ready for Jeremy Sochan: highest paid player in Spurs history?
I don't think it would.
His floor is so low, when he's not good, he's horrible and literally helping opponents.
Doesn't matter if he's cheap(er), if he's on the roster he'll have to be used. The level of a team is also relative to its weakest players.
Ideal scenario is to manage to trade him before we have to extend him.
I’m pretty down on DV but he showed enough to warrant that semi overpay based on potential. With Sochan you know exactly what you have by now and any prepayment on potential has to be because you think he can continue to improve as a high energy defender and not on the offensive end. Even at that I’m hoping something to the tune of 15mm/yr but preparing for 4yr/80mm. I really hope we don’t outbid ourselves with another charity contract but history repeats itself.
Let the market decide his contract.Doubt a team offers him a big contract.
Cap is projected to be at $170/187/205/226/249M during five years of his extension.
If we offer 90/5, that would be 10.5/9.6/8.7/7.9/7.2% of the cap.
Even if he fails to be useful, would be easy enough to trade him.
I'd trade him if we can get good enough value back, no point in dumping him.
If you trade Sochan in scenario - "Sochan or no deal" for let's say Devin Booker, than sure. But trading him for, lets say, Cam Johnson it's wrong
Is it just Sochan for Cam Johnson straight up? I do that in a heartbeat and include a prepaid betterhealth.com subscription for Sean Marks because clearly he'd have lost his damn mind.
Sochan doesn't even put his hands up on defense at times. He quits on the play sometimes.
Spurs would be the worst rebounding team in the NBA. Barnes is already bad here. Cp doesn't contribute much here either. Collins and Bassey don't play with Wemby. There is no logic trading Sochan for Johnson.
You can always go get a real pf.
Name a few on the market?
I'd keep him around - definitely for the right price. Still young, wildly inconsistent, but clearly improving and even as a bench piece he seems like one of the few guys who can really give SGA and Ant a ton of trouble while holding his own on Luka. Maybe Castle can do that job in the coming years, maybe not. But it never hurts to have guys like that on your team, and if it turns out that Castle can't then that's a huge liability in the playoffs in the future if you prematurely trade him away.
We really have people here that wouldn't trade Sochan for Cam? Really..
well yabuselle for one.Wemby wanted him,Yet we passed on him.Philly got him cheap,And hes playing well
for them.Also chris boucher who we are rumored to be in trade rumors with us.Also playing well for raptors.
Few others as well.
You never know who's available but thinking Sochan can't be replaced is just wrong. Many players will be on the market during the off season also the spurs will have a couple of draft picks to replace Sochan.
Sochan is not an irreplaceable player. He's only 6'8, too small and isn't a great rebounder anyways and at 6'8 you should be a good shooter to overcome only 6'8.
This is a solvable problem. Hopefully we don't pass on obvious upgrades because we're afraid of solvable problems.
Never liked that no-defense, no-rebounding Euro trash version of Dennis Rodman looking guy without a backbone
Solvable, but not easy thing to do. The cam idea is just junk. It just sets the team back. But say upgrading Barnes or Johnson to Cam is a good idea. The obvious upgrade is the pg spot.
Sochan played a bad second game against the Pacers. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he is ranking very high on defense in the league and the second best defender after Wemby in the squad.
According to EPM, he is ranked 12th among defenders (97th percentile).
The team's issue is Keldon Johnson. He has regressed as a player on offense with poor 3 Pt shooting and with his inability to make plays or orchestrate play. And his defense has gone from bad to worse. The only thing he offers is some defensive rebounding and decentish finishing in the paint. The Spurs are going nowhere with Keldon, either on the bench or as a starter. He is a net negative. It is time to cut him loose as there is nothing more for the Spurs to do with him. He isn't going to help them become a contender or if they are a contender and neither is he going to develop any further as the Spurs build around Wemby.
The Spurs have a long list of flotsam and jetsam to jettison before they even think of trading away Sochan and Vassell. Zach Collins, Keldon Johnson, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, Sidi Cissoko, and even Mamukelashvili. Thats a large list of useless tools for a rebuilding squad who have no business being around Wemby. It is vital that the Spurs use them to trade off to a squad that is desperate to cut costs (Pelicans, Bulls, Raptors) or load up more for drafts (Nets, Jazz, Wizards).
Cam Johnson is too coveted now to use jetsam to get. But it will be futile to give up on Sochan/ Vassell to get Cam, IMO as he might cost a lot in terms of both talent and picks and also to retain after his contract ends.
But the Spurs can think of getting Vucevic or Valanciunas or CJ McCollum or Poeltl by trading their bad talent away along with second round picks. All three of them will actually help the Spurs in the medium term without affecting their future.
Cam only works if he can play the 3 next to a 4 like Sochan. He is not an inside man nor wing stopper. I'll just trade the useless top 10 ATL 2025 pick, BKN won't refuse increasing their odds of a top 4 pick.
That is wrong move. You lose primary defender, and still did not solve the issue with scoring
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