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    The more I think about it, the more I would not pull the trigger at mid-season vs off season. We’re 2.5 games out of the 10th side and have the 12th most difficult SOS. Not insurmountable, but not great. Wouldn’t it be better to see where our picks fall, and re-assess price in the summer? Wouldn’t fox’s price be lower?

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    3 Unprotected FRP, 1 Unprotected Swap, 1 Highly Protected* FRP (71 Comp Points) is what my model spit out. (*Highly protected would be lotto protected, as an example)

    So depending on how you value Vassell, not too far off from what I originally threw out (Vassell + CHI pick + SA25 + SA27 + rip up SAC swap). Of course I'm kind of counting on our own picks not being too great (assuming Fox is enough to get us in play-in this year and it being in the 20s in 2027), which is why I include them instead of the ATL picks.
    I love that pick package for Fox. I wonder if we could exchange Keldon + Malaki for Heurter in that deal too? Heurter would be a better fit here if we moved Devin and his contract is a year shorter.

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    LOL

    THESE KINGS HOMERS

    One of the hosts claims a fair return STARTS at Castle + Vassell + Sochan + 2 first round picks (at least 1 ATL if not both) + tearing up the Kings swap

    Hoping B.Wright isn't that B.Wrong
    I mean, every team has fans who overvalue their own assets. Just look at this site and thinking aloud that it would be a dilemma to trade Sochan for Amen.

    Like George Carlin once said, "everyone thinks their is stuff, and everyone else's stuff is ."

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    I love that pick package for Fox. I wonder if we could exchange Keldon + Malaki for Heurter in that deal too? Heurter would be a better fit here if we moved Devin and his contract is a year shorter.
    I like it, especially for the 2026 Cap situation.

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    And a related issue is, assuming you do the fox deal (which I think would take dev + castle + 3 picks and a swap), where does that leave you going forward? What moves can you make in the offseason/2026 that put you at or near contending status? Fox alone isn’t going to cut it. I’m all in favor of using assets to make this purchase, but you have to keep powder dry. That’s why I’m officially king’s x’ing this deal if Castle is required.

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    I know it’s not popular to be anti big trades but this one makes me a little nervous. I would be pretty pissed off if Castle was in a deal for Fox.
    Me too

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    Long responses are great. I understand all of that for future picks involved, but I think this year is different for specific reasons.
    1) If we are picks #9 and #10, there is not much difference between the two and a “better/worse of” isn’t a huge factor.
    2) If either was to hit the low odds of a top 4 pick… I’d hate to give a huge package in a trade and find out a few months later that it included Flagg, Harper, Bailey, or Edgecombe

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    And a related issue is, assuming you do the fox deal (which I think would take dev + castle + 3 picks and a swap), where does that leave you going forward? What moves can you make in the offseason/2026 that put you at or near contending status? Fox alone isn’t going to cut it. I’m all in favor of using assets to make this purchase, but you have to keep powder dry. That’s why I’m officially king’s x’ing this deal if Castle is required.
    I'm FoxGang Til I Die, but that package is a bridge too far for me. As much as I'm pro Fox and Anti-Dev, I'm out on that deal. As you basically state, it leaves us bare without valuable picks to acquire more. That's 2 steps forward and 1.9-2.1 steps back.

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    Long responses are great. I understand all of that for future picks involved, but I think this year is different for specific reasons.
    1) If we are picks #9 and #10, there is not much difference between the two and a “better/worse of” isn’t a huge factor.
    2) If either was to hit the low odds of a top 4 pick… I’d hate to give a huge package in a trade and find out a few months later that it included Flagg, Harper, Bailey, or Edgecombe
    I don't do the deal and I wait until the summer if I think our pick is still going to be the 9 or 10 seed in the lottery after the trade (because clearly Fox isn't making you better in that case, so what was the point?).

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    I love that pick package for Fox. I wonder if we could exchange Keldon + Malaki for Heurter in that deal too? Heurter would be a better fit here if we moved Devin and his contract is a year shorter.
    Totally. I've been thinking about adding Heurter as well, and including Keldon could mean getting some protections back on the picks going to SAC.

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    I don't do the deal and I wait until the summer if I think our pick is still going to be the 9 or 10 seed in the lottery after the trade (because clearly Fox isn't making you better in that case, so what was the point?).
    I forgot to say that I would be planning on whatever surgeries would be needed to get Fox 100% for the future.

    A little more complicated, but a better of SA25/ATL25 (top 4 protected) would also accomplish what I wanted it to.

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    And a related issue is, assuming you do the fox deal (which I think would take dev + castle + 3 picks and a swap), where does that leave you going forward? What moves can you make in the offseason/2026 that put you at or near contending status? Fox alone isn’t going to cut it. I’m all in favor of using assets to make this purchase, but you have to keep powder dry. That’s why I’m officially king’s x’ing this deal if Castle is required.
    That's a massive overpay I wouldn't consider unless the picks are all worst of, eg worst of Spurs/Hawks/Bulls 2025, worst of Spurs/Hawks 2027, and worst of Spurs/Wolves 20131. And I keep the Kings 2030 swap. Even then I'm pretty hesitant since Castle is likely to be a very solid player.
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    Apparently he wants to go to texas and rockets are in the mix as well

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    I'm FoxGang Til I Die, but that package is a bridge too far for me. As much as I'm pro Fox and Anti-Dev, I'm out on that deal. As you basically state, it leaves us bare without valuable picks to acquire more. That's 2 steps forward and 1.9-2.1 steps back.
    That's a massive overpay I wouldn't consider unless the picks are all worst of, eg worst of Spurs/Hawks/Bulls 2025, worst of Spurs/Hawks 2027, and worst of Spurs/Wolves 20131. And I keep the Kings 2030 swap.
    Totally agree it’s an overpay and I wouldn’t do those deals. I’m just trying to think of what SAC’s position is. I’d refuse to do a deal that didn’t include Castle. So, does Castle + CHI25 + ATL27 (most likely) + MIN20131 (most likely) and Collins (salary) get it done? I’d hang up the phone and do something with Brooklyn. I think even Houston could beat that offer too.

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    Totally agree it’s an overpay and I wouldn’t do those deals. I’m just trying to think of what SAC’s position is. I’d refuse to do a deal that didn’t include Castle. So, does Castle + CHI25 + ATL27 (most likely) + MIN20131 (most likely) and Collins (salary) get it done? I’d hang up the phone and do something with Brooklyn. I think even Houston could beat that offer too.
    If I'm Wright I'd be trying to make a trade centered on Sochan instead of Castle, maybe try to make it three team for someone who'd be more interested in him than Sac is.

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    Just watched Vassell's post-practice interview and he really hesitated answering the question of whether or not he's going to the All-Star game to support Castle.
    Wondering if the Fox trade news is affecting this. He might not be a Spur by that time.

    It's so surreal to actually have a possible trade in the works. I'm setting myself up for expecting something more along the lines of adding Jalen Hood-Schifino.

    This could go either way. Maybe he knows Castle could be traded.

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    Totally agree it’s an overpay and I wouldn’t do those deals. I’m just trying to think of what SAC’s position is. I’d refuse to do a deal that didn’t include Castle. So, does Castle + CHI25 + ATL27 (most likely) + MIN20131 (most likely) and Collins (salary) get it done? I’d hang up the phone and do something with Brooklyn. I think even Houston could beat that offer too.
    What could HOU offer that beats that? I guess Amen Thompson but I highly doubt that is on table. Maybe Jabari + 26 HOURS + 27 PHX + 29 PHX? Or if Kings are win now then they get FVV + Cam + these picks?

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    HOU does have a ton of picks and can make a very good offer. I’d be very happy if HOU traded young talent + 3-4 firsts for Fox.

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    If I'm Wright I'd be trying to make a trade centered on Sochan instead of Castle, maybe try to make it three team for someone who'd be more interested in him than Sac is.
    God I love it when you talk dirty to me

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    I don't do the deal and I wait until the summer if I think our pick is still going to be the 9 or 10 seed in the lottery after the trade (because clearly Fox isn't making you better in that case, so what was the point?).
    You don't think Fox is making you better than a pick that would be ninth in the lottery? It's a 20.27% chance to be top 4 and a 79.73% chance to be 9-13 if you're ninth in the lottery.

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    news flash: the Spurs don't trade for stars. Get over yourselves.

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    Can brian wright actually pull off a deal to improve sa?

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    This could go either way. Maybe he knows Castle could be traded.
    Castle playing chess by agreeing to rep the Spurs in the dunk contest, lol!

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    You don't think Fox is making you better than a pick that would be ninth in the lottery? It's a 20.27% chance to be top 4 and a 79.73% chance to be 9-13 if you're ninth in the lottery.
    The post of mine that you quoted was in response to someone else's question. I already previously stated I would expect to make the Play-In at a minimum if we got Fox.

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    HOU does have a ton of picks and can make a very good offer. I’d be very happy if HOU traded young talent + 3-4 firsts for Fox.
    Naw they standing pat. They might trade Jabari though for something else.

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