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    Naw they standing pat. They might trade Jabari though for something else.
    Holding out for Book?

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    Houston is waiting for Booker/Durant tbh

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    Holding out for Book?
    Yep. They prefer Book over Fox.

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    Houston is waiting for Booker/Durant tbh
    Yep. Should be interesting.

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    Houston doesn't need anything already have a contender

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    D - Fox - Rookie Numbers as Starter:


    Games Field Goals Three Points Free Throws Rebounds Miscellaneous
    Starter G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% OR DR Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
    As Starter 61 28:05 4.5 10.8 41.4 0.7 2.2 31.9 1.9 2.7 72.4 0.4 2.3 2.7 4.3 2.5 1.0 0.3 2.2 11.6

    S - Castle - Rookie Numbers as Starter:

    Games Field Goals Three Points Free Throws Rebounds Miscellaneous
    Starter G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% OR DR Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
    As Starter 25 29:48 5.2 12.6 41.1 1.4 4.8 29.2 2.9 3.8 76.0 1.1 1.7 2.8 4.2 2.2 0.9 0.3 1.6 14.7

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    I honestly don't see fox as big a deal as others. He plys 40 mins+ to get 25 points. He doesn't shoot the three well, he's undersized and doesn't play defense.

    He can make electric plays, but he hasn't been able to do much outside of one year with the team designed for him in win now mode.

    I just don't see it. Maybe I haven't watched enoigh highlights? He doesn't jump off the screen as superstar to me.

    If we are going to throw picks away for an undersized PG who doesn't play Defense, Tre Young fits the spurs mold next to Wemby better than fox does.

    I'd be happy to upgrade to Fox but not for a superstar price. I just don't see how he would move the needle like that with this team.

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    Naw they standing pat. They might trade Jabari though for something else.
    Sure - and that’s justifiable given how great HOU has been this season. Im just saying on paper, HOU has “some” need there and “fit” and plenty of assets to get it done if they so desire (and I would be happy if they gave up Jabari + 3+ firsts for Fox

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    Call this copium, but I’ve been listening to some SAC commentators and they’re saying that SAC is looking to reset vs rebuild. Which makes sense given their roster and their history. They can’t rebuild without also offloading DD/Sabonis/Monk. There doesn’t seem to be much of an appe e to go back to being a black hole franchise. All of which is to say that I now think some sort of deal for Cam Johnson or Collin Sexton or, , even BI makes more sense than Castle + picks. Plus, they have Devin Carter + Keon Ellis. What’s the point in adding Steph to that?

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    I honestly don't see fox as big a deal as others. He plys 40 mins+ to get 25 points. He doesn't shoot the three well, he's undersized and doesn't play defense.

    He can make electric plays, but he hasn't been able to do much outside of one year with the team designed for him in win now mode.

    I just don't see it. Maybe I haven't watched enoigh highlights? He doesn't jump off the screen as superstar to me.

    If we are going to throw picks away for an undersized PG who doesn't play Defense, Tre Young fits the spurs mold next to Wemby better than fox does.

    I'd be happy to upgrade to Fox but not for a superstar price. I just don't see how he would move the needle like that with this team.
    I would also add that I'm concerned with Fox eventually getting injured. Small guards that rely heavily on their athleticism tend to end up eventually getting a serious injury that deals with them usually blowing out their knees.

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    I'm really interested in seeing the price for Fox. He's a low level allstar tier player.

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    I don’t think the issue is are there teams that can top a Vassell, tre jones, chi 1st, 25 1st, minn 1st, no sac pick swap offer. There are. The question is would someone top that with the worry that he leaves in 1 1/2 years to the Spurs in free agency when he has made it known in league circles he want to go to the Spurs. Houston could top it but I doubt they make the offer without an assurance he extends, which it doesn’t seem like he will for anyone but the Spurs.

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    I don’t think the issue is are there teams that can top a Vassell, tre jones, chi 1st, 25 1st, minn 1st, no sac pick swap offer. There are. The question is would someone top that with the worry that he leaves in 1 1/2 years to the Spurs in free agency when he has made it known in league circles he want to go to the Spurs. Houston could top it but I doubt they make the offer without an assurance he extends, which it doesn’t seem like he will for anyone but the Spurs.
    3 firsts and two serviceable players. I can’t say I’d say no but that’s a lot to give up for a guy isn’t going to make us contenders.

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    Wemby making sa a destination finally

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    Call this copium, but I’ve been listening to some SAC commentators and they’re saying that SAC is looking to reset vs rebuild. Which makes sense given their roster and their history. They can’t rebuild without also offloading DD/Sabonis/Monk. There doesn’t seem to be much of an appe e to go back to being a black hole franchise. All of which is to say that I now think some sort of deal for Cam Johnson or Collin Sexton or, , even BI makes more sense than Castle + picks. Plus, they have Devin Carter + Keon Ellis. What’s the point in adding Steph to that?
    Yeah, while there are straight forward paths that include Devin I still think the optimal solution for everyone is involving a 3rd team like BKN (Cam), UTA (Jollins), WAS (Kuzma), or even POR (Grant).

    There's something that can likely get worked out there if the sides wanted it

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    I would also add that I'm concerned with Fox eventually getting injured. Small guards that rely heavily on their athleticism tend to end up eventually getting a serious injury that deals with them usually blowing out their knees.
    Yea I've noticed he doesn't attack the rim nearly as much as he used to. I know he had a crazy vert when he first came in the league. His legs going out sooner than later and him being more dependent on that physical aspect to score rather than being a shooter also doesn't sit well with me.

    I'm cool with an upgrade, but not into all these 1st, people are trying to throw around. Inflation is too high.

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    Fascinating timeline of events in the Kings subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comme...trade_request/

    Gives you a newfound appreciation that whatever you think of PATFO, at least they aren't the King's FO.

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    I don’t think the issue is are there teams that can top a Vassell, tre jones, chi 1st, 25 1st, minn 1st, no sac pick swap offer. There are. The question is would someone top that with the worry that he leaves in 1 1/2 years to the Spurs in free agency when he has made it known in league circles he want to go to the Spurs. Houston could top it but I doubt they make the offer without an assurance he extends, which it doesn’t seem like he will for anyone but the Spurs.
    It’s chicken/egg. I doubt a team does that if they dont have assurances. If they all get wind he wants SA or nothing, they wont offer what it takes to beat SA offer etc..

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    Spurs rumors on espn involving foxx

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    Yea I've noticed he doesn't attack the rim nearly as much as he used to. I know he had a crazy vert when he first came in the league. His legs going out sooner than later and him being more dependent on that physical aspect to score rather than being a shooter also doesn't sit well with me.

    I'm cool with an upgrade, but not into all these 1st, people are trying to throw around. Inflation is too high.
    Agreed I just remember Tony Parker going on a fast decline after he turned 32. Once his first step was gone you could see how hard it was for Parker to be effective since Parker never had a good 3 point shot. Fox will have the same type of struggles once he loses his athleticism. Fox just turned 27 about a month ago so his window really is the next 3-5 years after that it's a question mark of how effective he will be due to age.

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    Let's look at what these assets could reasonably get us if not Fox.

    They could get us players from the draft, which, the last 5 years have not been kind to us, (Castle notwithstanding)
    What other stars could it get us? Hawks aren't trading Young, what other young star talent would be pushing to go to us and giving us leverage?

    We have enough assets and time that even if this doesn't work out, it doesn't really hurt us that much long term. Worst case scenario is that he's a low level allstar player who is a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team.

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    Agreed I just remember Tony Parker going on a fast decline after he turned 32. Once his first step was gone you could see how hard it was for Parker to be effective since Parker never had a good 3 point shot. Fox will have the same type of struggles once he loses his athleticism. Fox just turned 27 about a month ago so his window really is the next 3-5 years after that it's a question mark of how effective he will be due to age.
    That's a good comparison.

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    Let's look at what these assets could reasonably get us if not Fox.

    They could get us players from the draft, which, the last 5 years have not been kind to us, (Castle notwithstanding)
    What other stars could it get us? Hawks aren't trading Young, what other young star talent would be pushing to go to us and giving us leverage?

    We have enough assets and time that even if this doesn't work out, it doesn't really hurt us that much long term. Worst case scenario is that he's a low level allstar player who is a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team.
    Tying up contracts becomes an issue. Free agents will want to play with Wemby, which is another reason I don't get selling the farm for a guy who wants to come to SA but only has 1 more year on his contract. After that year will be the real year spurs are likely to be compe ive and he will be a free agent.

    Things change fast in the NBA. Players we don't think would be availble suddenly come availble. Fox is the example. They were looking like le contenders just a couple years ago and he was the lead dog. Nows he's out?

    I'd rather have the assets since we aren't competing anytime soon. It sucks as a fan to watch, but business wise makes more sense to

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    Let's look at what these assets could reasonably get us if not Fox.

    They could get us players from the draft, which, the last 5 years have not been kind to us, (Castle notwithstanding)
    What other stars could it get us? Hawks aren't trading Young, what other young star talent would be pushing to go to us and giving us leverage?

    We have enough assets and time that even if this doesn't work out, it doesn't really hurt us that much long term. Worst case scenario is that he's a low level allstar player who is a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team.
    I forgot who said it, but it was a perfect analogy. This forum is full of guys who can't laid by the ugliest chick in town, who sit around a criticize the hottest woman in the bar because her elbows are too pointy.

    The rumors could be about Shai and people (not everyone, of course) would be like "IDK, we might need that 20131 late FRP..."

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    If fox wants to come here you absolutely make it happen. Still, were talking about brian wrong here

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