De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

Originally Posted by LeBowen

Hawks just lost Johnson and they make the most sense.
Devin+Tre+Hunter, Spurs returning their '31 swap and Hawks returning '25 SAC would be good value for Fox.

I'm fine with giving up Hawks picks, Kings swap, Devin and Tre.

Would you be fine trading Cooper Flagg + Devin + Tre + another pick for Fox? You can live with that?

Originally Posted by DPG21920

Would you be fine trading Cooper Flagg + Devin + Tre + another pick for Fox? You can live with that?

Hawks already have 22 wins.
They'll reach at least 30 no matter what.
There are 6 teams that won't reach 30 wins, probably 7.

8th best odds are as high as Hawks pick will go.
You're telling me you wouldn't trade that pick for a 6% Flagg lottery ticket?
26% to get a top4 pick. If it's not top4, then it's 8th or lower.

I'm not going down this road again, I was sick of you people in Markkanen topic.
We got lucky three years in a row, anyone who thinks 26% odds are better to keep than a proven all-star player sucks at math.

I would rather trade all 3 Hawks picks than Castle.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Because this is Klutch trying to get their client as much money as possible. There's nothing real here.

When Fox can do sign and trade to play where he wants for as much money as Klutch can get him ?

Originally Posted by Mal

When Fox can do sign and trade to play where he wants for as much money as Klutch can get him ?

He loses money if he gets traded and gets an extension there rather than Sacto. He's desperate to get traded now because he loses more money if this doesn't happen until the off-season. And it's not a sign and trade anyway.

Originally Posted by LeBowen

Hawks already have 22 wins.
They'll reach at least 30 no matter what.
There are 6 teams that won't reach 30 wins, probably 7.

8th best odds are as high as Hawks pick will go.
You're telling me you wouldn't trade that pick for a 6% Flagg lottery ticket?
26% to get a top4 pick. If it's not top4, then it's 8th or lower.

I'm not going down this road again, I was sick of you people in Markkanen topic.
We got lucky three years in a row, anyone who thinks 26% odds are better to keep than a proven all-star player sucks at math.

I would rather trade all 3 Hawks picks than Castle.

So then your answer is yes. You would defend your stance even if the balls bounced SA way and that ATL pick became Flagg. On top of 2 other firsts and players. Thats fine. Im not cool with that, but fair enough if you are. I just want to outline the possibility here.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

He loses money if he gets traded and gets an extension there rather than Sacto. He's desperate to get traded now because he loses more money if this doesn't happen until the off-season. And it's not a sign and trade anyway.

Californa to Texas is huge gain on taxes, so this would level. Thanks

Originally Posted by LeBowen

Hawks already have 22 wins.
They'll reach at least 30 no matter what.
There are 6 teams that won't reach 30 wins, probably 7.

8th best odds are as high as Hawks pick will go.
You're telling me you wouldn't trade that pick for a 6% Flagg lottery ticket?
26% to get a top4 pick. If it's not top4, then it's 8th or lower.

I'm not going down this road again, I was sick of you people in Markkanen topic.
We got lucky three years in a row, anyone who thinks 26% odds are better to keep than a proven all-star player sucks at math.

I would rather trade all 3 Hawks picks than Castle.

Two aspects - Spurs with Fox could sneak in into playins. Without the trade, you would have two 6% tickets.

Fox has been an all star exactly one time btw….and hes due 50M+ on top of possible Flagg and multiple other picks and players.

Cooper Flagg is a pipe dream and an extremely unlikely possibility anyway. I see no reason to worry about that when you have a chance to get Fox. There's no guarantee Flagg will ever be as good as Fox is. This isn't a draft with Wemby or LeBron as the headliner.

I think this will drag out to the offseason. Kings are probably just testing the market. In free agency the Rockets should be making a more significant offer to up the price, but who knows.

And at Mr Body's usual contrarian stance. Yes, it's all fake despite multiple legit reporters talking about it, the Kings beat writer reporting it, and even one of the French reporters that followed Victor here is reporting it. But yeah let's take Body's word for it because he knows more than those guys!

Originally Posted by Leetonidas

Cooper Flagg is a pipe dream and an extremely unlikely possibility anyway. I see no reason to worry about that when you have a chance to get Fox. There's no guarantee Flagg will ever be as good as Fox is. This isn't a draft with Wemby or LeBron as the headliner.

Crazy. As good as Fox is? The bar isn’t high here lol. Fox has zero playoff series wins. He’s a ONE time all star. What exactly do yall think Fox is?

Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford

I think this will drag out to the offseason. Kings are probably just testing the market. In free agency the Rockets should be making a more significant offer to up the price, but who knows.

The longer this drags out the better for SA. The best case scenario is some other team trading for Fox while SA keeps assets and Fox leaves in FA to Spurs. Just like Kawhi/TOR etc…

If SAC holds Fox past deadline, they lose value in trade in offseason IMO

Originally Posted by DPG21920

Fox has been an all star exactly one time btw….and hes due 50M+ on top of possible Flagg and multiple other picks and players.

all-nba as well

Originally Posted by Leetonidas

Cooper Flagg is a pipe dream and an extremely unlikely possibility anyway. I see no reason to worry about that when you have a chance to get Fox. There's no guarantee Flagg will ever be as good as Fox is. This isn't a draft with Wemby or LeBron as the headliner.

If this is Fox or Flagg, I am TeamFlagg

Originally Posted by DPG21920

So then your answer is yes. You would defend your stance even if the balls bounced SA way and that ATL pick became Flagg. On top of 2 other firsts and players. Thats fine. Im not cool with that, but fair enough if you are. I just want to outline the possibility here.

Gambling on 26% odds after all the luck we've had as of late is just bad decision making.
I can't understand how can anyone possibly think that such low odds are better than a proven all-star in prime.

Last summer about half of this forum was raving about the golden tickets we got from the Hawks while some of us were trying to explain that there's no way they get top5 best odds with no incentive to tank.
And look what happened? They're probably going to make the play-in even without Johnson.

Fox has been an all star exactly one time btw

As I said many times, please do name a better REALISTIC target.
There aren't any, went over it many times.

….and hes due 50M+

It's a 30% max.
Same as always.
For us fans it's irrelevant if 30% amounts to 10, 20 or 60M a year when it's always 30% of total cap space.

on top of possible Flagg and multiple other picks and players.

Spurs draft picks before Wemby: Sochan, Branham, Wesley, Primo, Vassell, Keldon, Samanic.
7 FRPs, including 3 lottery picks.

And the 6% golden ticket!
I sincerely hope you don't gamble, you'd be homeless within a year unless you're the luckiest man on the planet.

Originally Posted by DPG21920

So then your answer is yes. You would defend your stance even if the balls bounced SA way and that ATL pick became Flagg. On top of 2 other firsts and players. Thats fine. Im not cool with that, but fair enough if you are. I just want to outline the possibility here.

Hindsight is 20/20. You bet the odds, not the best case scenario.

Originally Posted by DPG21920

The longer this drags out the better for SA. The best case scenario is some other team trading for Fox while SA keeps assets and Fox leaves in FA to Spurs. Just like Kawhi/TOR etc…

If SAC holds Fox past deadline, they lose value in trade in offseason IMO

they lose a lot of value in the offseason. if a team isnt convinced that fox will re-sign with them, trading for him now means you at least get 2 playoff runs with him before that time. waiting until the offseason cuts that in half

Originally Posted by DPG21920

Crazy. As good as Fox is? The bar isn’t high here lol. Fox has zero playoff series wins. He’s a ONE time all star. What exactly do yall think Fox is?

I think he is a good player that has languished in a bad situation because of one of the worst front offices in the NBA. He also played guard during the peak of guys like Harden, Curry, and Lillard in the West and his team was ass most of those years so it's easy to see why he hasn't got a lot of all star selections. He is also a #2 that has been forced to be #1 out of necessity. If Kings didn't whiff buy by taking Bagley instead of Luka who knows how he'd be viewed by now.

Let's not forget Atlanta won the lottery last season. The chance of that happening twice in a row are astronomical. It's like saying you don't want to accept a new higher paying job because you might win the lottery next week

Originally Posted by Mal

If this is Fox or Flagg, I am TeamFlagg

Obviously. But the chance of that happening are extremely miniscule. Spurs already lucked out massively by winning the Wemby lottery. Do you really think it's going to happen again this season when ATL will probably still not be a bottom 5 team?

I'd prefer to keep the ATL pick for what it's worth. I'm just saying the idea of keeping it off the table because we could get Flagg is silly. It's far, FAR more likely that it doesn't happen

Originally Posted by Leetonidas

Let's not forget Atlanta won the lottery last season. The chance of that happening twice in a row are astronomical. It's like saying you don't want to accept a new higher paying job because you might win the lottery next week

You may only say that if those things are correlated, but those arent. 3% or 6% is excatly it. Wemby to Spurs was 14%.

Originally Posted by DPG21920

Crazy. As good as Fox is? The bar isn’t high here lol. Fox has zero playoff series wins. He’s a ONE time all star. What exactly do yall think Fox is?

Yeah I'm in agreement. I'd rather see what FO gets from this strong draft/offseason (build up that depth/talent, trade off players we know don't fit) and continue the course vs giving up picks and muddling cap space for the future for Fox. Fox is definitely a good player, better than any pg Spurs currently has but to me, just not a difference maker to say contention is right there with his addition at 27yrs old and make this team a contender for the long term.

Originally Posted by spurraider21

all-nba as well

Yup. One time both all nba and all star. Not nothing, but coupled with age, lack of any playoff success and him doing nothing sustainable at all nba/all star level its a reason to be prudent IMO.

Not knocking him - not everyone is Luka etc…but I dont believe that passing on Fox comes with a lot of risk either. Theres always Fox types available especially if you’re willing to offer 5 firsts etc…

Originally Posted by LeBowen

Hawks just lost Johnson and they make the most sense.
Devin+Tre+Hunter, Spurs returning their '31 swap and Hawks returning '25 SAC would be good value for Fox.

I'm fine with giving up Hawks picks, Kings swap, Devin and Tre.

It’s going to tale multiple FRPs to get this done. Probably 3-4.

Originally Posted by Spurminator

Can't argue with that fool-proof logic. Solid points!

Go compare his rookie statline to the rookie years of Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, and Emmanuel Mudiay and tell me Stephon Castle is on a guaranteed All-Star trajectory.

Brother, numbers can’t quantify the abilities this young fella has displayed… For the record, I believe he’ll blow those players careers out of the water. Size, skill, speed, and bbiq can’t be ignored.