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    Gambling on 26% odds after all the luck we've had as of late is just bad decision making.
    I can't understand how can anyone possibly think that such low odds are better than a proven all-star in prime.

    Last summer about half of this forum was raving about the golden tickets we got from the Hawks while some of us were trying to explain that there's no way they get top5 best odds with no incentive to tank.
    And look what happened? They're probably going to make the play-in even without Johnson.



    As I said many times, please do name a better REALISTIC target.
    There aren't any, went over it many times.



    It's a 30% max.
    Same as always.
    For us fans it's irrelevant if 30% amounts to 10, 20 or 60M a year when it's always 30% of total cap space.



    Spurs draft picks before Wemby: Sochan, Branham, Wesley, Primo, Vassell, Keldon, Samanic.
    7 FRPs, including 3 lottery picks.

    And the 6% golden ticket!
    I sincerely hope you don't gamble, you'd be homeless within a year unless you're the luckiest man on the planet.
    Your calculations are off. You are presenting it as Fox or terrible odds. There’s lots of paths and you dont lose anything by gambling on picks since theres always a Fox type available (either via trade, possible free agency or draft)

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    Obviously. But the chance of that happening are extremely miniscule. Spurs already lucked out massively by winning the Wemby lottery. Do you really think it's going to happen again this season when ATL will probably still not be a bottom 5 team?

    I'd prefer to keep the ATL pick for what it's worth. I'm just saying the idea of keeping it off the table because we could get Flagg is silly. It's far, FAR more likely that it doesn't happen
    I haven’t been following the 2025 draft much. But last year, people were saying there were multiple potential superstars in this coming draft. Is that not the case?

    I’m skeptical the spurs will make a trade before the deadline. They do not seem to be in a hurry.

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    I'd prefer to keep the ATL pick for what it's worth. I'm just saying the idea of keeping it off the table because we could get Flagg is silly. It's far, FAR more likely that it doesn't happen
    I would trade this, as it is today - the lotto ticket. 3 or 6% seems low, but best odds are still only 14%. Everybody, tanking or not, needs to get extremly lucky

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    Crazy. As good as Fox is? The bar isn’t high here lol. Fox has zero playoff series wins. He’s a ONE time all star. What exactly do yall think Fox is?
    What do I think he is? Not a spur����

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    Hindsight is 20/20. You bet the odds, not the best case scenario.
    But you have to be able to defend the outcomes either way. Even if low odds, you must gameplan and evaluate all outcomes here. It factors into cost you are willing to go to to get him.

    Im not saying you cant trade ATL 25 pick in a deal; but IF you do that, you limit the “other” compensation due to potential here.

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    they lose a lot of value in the offseason. if a team isnt convinced that fox will re-sign with them, trading for him now means you at least get 2 playoff runs with him before that time. waiting until the offseason cuts that in half
    Spot on. Not only that, as it becomes more clear that Fox is not signing extension vs now there being some hope it “can change” you lose a ton of value as you said. Dragging this out would be amazing and I hope SA holds firm on price and calls Kings bluff on keeping him through this season

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    wow, it's really happening... i wonder what the asking price is..

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    Your calculations are off.
    No, they're not.

    You are presenting it as Fox or terrible odds.
    Because it is.

    There’s lots of paths and you dont lose anything by gambling on picks since theres always a Fox type available (either via trade, possible free agency or draft)
    As I've asked about 200 times since last summer, WHAT PATHS ARE THOSE?

    PLEASE GIVE ME AT LEAST A COUPLE OF REALISTIC (KEY WORD) ALL-STAR TARGETS YOUNGER THAN 30 SPURS COULD GET IN 2025 OR 2026 OFFSEASONS?




    Yes, I got triggered hard because I'm ing sick of you people who ignore thousands of well thought out posts and scenarios only to say "aCtUaLlY, tHeRe'S gOiNg To Be A bEtTeR pLaYeR aVaIlaBlE", only to never actually ing name a single realistic target.

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    Yup. One time both all nba and all star. Not nothing, but coupled with age, lack of any playoff success and him doing nothing sustainable at all nba/all star level its a reason to be prudent IMO.

    Not knocking him - not everyone is Luka etc…but I dont believe that passing on Fox comes with a lot of risk either. Theres always Fox types available especially if you’re willing to offer 5 firsts etc…
    Yeah couldn't have said it better. I mean, I'm sure you could get a poorman's Fox in Sexton at a cheaper rate if you really wanted to among other pgs who are available. At this point, Spurs have other areas they need to solidify than to give up so many assets for a pg that isn't the team's main/only weakness.

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    No, they're not.



    Because it is.



    As I've asked about 200 times since last summer, WHAT PATHS ARE THOSE?

    PLEASE GIVE ME AT LEAST A COUPLE OF REALISTIC (KEY WORD) ALL-STAR TARGETS YOUNGER THAN 30 SPURS COULD GET IN 2025 OR 2026 OFFSEASONS?




    Yes, I got triggered hard because I'm ing sick of you people who ignore thousands of well thought out posts and scenarios only to say "aCtUaLlY, tHeRe'S gOiNg To Be A bEtTeR pLaYeR aVaIlaBlE", only to never actually ing name a single realistic target.
    Luka, Ant Man, Lauri, Trae

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    Luka, Ant Man, Lauri, Trae


    realistic
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    adjective
    adjective: realistic



    1.
    having or showing a sensible and practical idea of what can be achieved or expected.

    Are you sure you're a sane individual?
    Yeah, we'll keep that Hawks pick with 6% odds, then wait for Luka to become a free agent in 2026 and then we'll trade for Ant with our 20131 Minnesota swap.

    I just can't, I give up.

    Luka is going to sign a massive extension this summer, there's no indication he wants to leave.
    Minnesota will probably crumble soon, but it's going to be at least 2 more years before Edwards asks out.
    And when he does, it's going to cost the entire franchise including the new practice facility to get thim.

    Trae isn't good enough, Lauri decided to stay with Utah.
    I'd also prefer Lauri to Fox, but it won't happen.

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    Castle isn’t a normal player mentality. He wants to win and prove himself. He seems more like the type to take team friendly deals. To me I wouldn’t include him in a Fox deal. Castle is a no nonsense type that will put in the work to try and be great

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    Yup. One time both all nba and all star. Not nothing, but coupled with age, lack of any playoff success and him doing nothing sustainable at all nba/all star level its a reason to be prudent IMO.
    27 is old now?

    Theres always Fox types available especially if you’re willing to offer 5 firsts etc…
    really? Who for example? How many Foxes are there in the NBA right now?

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    PLEASE GIVE ME AT LEAST A COUPLE OF REALISTIC (KEY WORD) ALL-STAR TARGETS YOUNGER THAN 30 SPURS COULD GET IN 2025 OR 2026 OFFSEASONS?
    Would you say it about Fox being available a year ago ?

    But , I dont see Boston keeping up having 200 mil roster for multiple years, so we may assume Brown could be traded.
    Minnesota can dismantle easily.
    Mavs as well.

    Oklahoma and Houston will get only better, at some point owners would not want be in luxury tax.

    Best approach to this, is just stay put, loaded with ammo, and wait. There will be another superstar on trade market evenatually

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    Are you sure you're a sane individual?
    Yeah, we'll keep that Hawks pick with 6% odds, then wait for Luka to become a free agent in 2026 and then we'll trade for Ant with our 20131 Minnesota swap.

    I just can't, I give up.

    Luka is going to sign a massive extension this summer, there's no indication he wants to leave.
    Minnesota will probably crumble soon, but it's going to be at least 2 more years before Edwards asks out.
    And when he does, it's going to cost the entire franchise including the new practice facility to get thim.

    Trae isn't good enough, Lauri decided to stay with Utah.
    I'd also prefer Lauri to Fox, but it won't happen.
    So I give them to you and you agree with 50% of them, but still laugh? So you actually weren’t thinking about it, we’re trying to frame it as fox of bust and its just flat out wrong

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    Would you say it about Fox being available a year ago ?
    Yes, and I actually did on multiple occasions when we listed possible long-term targets.
    It was inevitable.
    Kings are a team that reached their peak, he's close to the end of his contract, just a natural course of events.
    He's 27 and doesn't want to spend his prime on a treadmill team.

    Can't compare it to Luka who just made the finals or Ant who's extension just kicked in and runs through 2029.
    Ant will be in the same situation as Fox in 2027 or 2028, it's too early to think about him now.

    And by then, our Hawks assets will be gone.

    Markkanen was a realistic target, Fox is a realistic target, Booker is unreachable for us because Houston owns Suns picks and that's his destination.
    Younger players early in their rookie max extension aren't realistic.
    Just yesterday we listed all the 2025 and 2026 free agents, it's just some solid role players.
    Naz Reid and Aldama being the best targets for us.

    So I give them to you and you agree with 50% of them, but still laugh? So you actually weren’t thinking about it, we’re trying to frame it as fox of bust and its just flat out wrong
    How can I not laugh when you list Luka who's about to sign the biggest extension in NBA history and be under contract up until 20131 and Edwards who's under contract up until 2029?
    Your posts are textbook examples of wishful thinking from someone who just follows the Spurs and doesn't know much about the rest of the league.

    Markkanen and Fox are the only under-30, all-star realistic targets for us.
    And Trae if you think he's actually a net positive, which most people don't.

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    27 is old now?



    really? Who for example? How many Foxes are there in the NBA right now?
    How many one time all stars around his age that are good but not amazing and due large deals or just got large deals? A lot tbh…Trae, Lauri, Jaylen Brown, Barnes, Lavine, Beal etc..

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    Because this is Klutch trying to get their client as much money as possible. There's nothing real here.
    That has always been the motivation for Rich Paul to get a client to San Antonio, so they can ride Wemby to being on national TV all the time, hopefully in deep playoff runs, and make more in endorsements.

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    Yeah, i would wait until summer. Start a convo now, and squeeze the Kings like Toronto squeezed us to get their best starting point for the then. Not saying he's coming for peanuts obviously, but at least use this it to get Top 1 protections on any 2025 picks sent out.

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    How many one time all stars around his age that are good but not amazing and due large deals or just got large deals? A lot tbh…Trae, Lauri, Jaylen Brown, Barnes, Lavine, Beal etc..
    Finals MVP Jaylen Brown?

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    That has always been the motivation for Rich Paul to get a client to San Antonio, so they can ride Wemby to being on national TV all the time, hopefully in deep playoff runs, and make more in endorsements.
    You're telling me Keldon ain't enough?

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    even if we grant the bizarre scenario where either Luka or Ant Man become "available" during the 25-26 or 26-27 seasons... wtf do you think the cost is going to be to acquire either one? i dont think this is remotely realistic. you'd have to give every good player on the team other than wemby plus just about every first round pick we own and swap the rest.

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    Yes, and I actually did on multiple occasions when we listed possible long-term targets.
    It was inevitable.
    Kings are a team that reached their peak, he's close to the end of his contract, just a natural course of events.
    He's 27 and doesn't want to spend his prime on a treadmill team.

    Can't compare it to Luka who just made the finals or Ant who's extension just kicked in and runs through 2029.
    Ant will be in the same situation as Fox in 2027 or 2028, it's too early to think about him now.

    And by then, our Hawks assets will be gone.

    Markkanen was a realistic target, Fox is a realistic target, Booker is unreachable for us because Houston owns Suns picks and that's his destination.
    Younger players early in their rookie max extension aren't realistic.
    Just yesterday we listed all the 2025 and 2026 free agents, it's just some solid role players.
    Naz Reid and Aldama being the best targets for us.



    How can I not laugh when you list Luka who's about to sign the biggest extension in NBA history and be under contract up until 20131 and Edwards who's under contract up until 2029?
    Your posts are textbook examples of wishful thinking from someone who just follows the Spurs and doesn't know much about the rest of the league.

    Markkanen and Fox are the only under-30, all-star realistic targets for us.
    And Trae if you think he's actually a net positive, which most people don't.
    You realize theres already reports about Luka right? How you can act like this never happens after seeing Kawhi, after seeing Mitc , after seeing Harden and KD etc….its ludicrous

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    Finals MVP Jaylen Brown?
    Yes. Just like being a one time all star. Accolades happen. These are all very good players we are talking about so its not surprising they can have a great season or PO series etc…

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