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And you dont need the number one pick to land a star. You can land them in lottery as many such cases have shown.
And you dont need the number one pick to land a star. You can land them in lottery as many such cases have shown.
WHICH OTHER PLAYERS YOU CAN'T NAME A SINGLE REALISTIC TARGET?
You can also draft Josh Primo at #11, which we actually did. If you do in fact draft a star that player will be a star by 2030 or later. You seem to be cool with another 5 years of mediocrity, thinking Wemby will just stay here like David Robinson.
I have to bow out and say I totally agree. The Wemby era is now and taking Castle off the block for a gem like Fox would be downright ludicrous.
do it, mitch!
iirc Danny Green said that Fox wants to not carry as heavy a load and would rather be the clear #2 than the #1a he is in Sacto, and that the Spurs are the pioneers in load management.
I mean he’s on a short term contract. Even his extension would be 2 years only. He can shoot the ball, score any way possible, he isn’t a sieve on defense and would be the best #2 guy in the league.Every single non warriors KD team has imploded but that is the guy you want the spurs to go after
BTW you answered the million dollar question. KD isn’t a leader and every team that has him as the leader failed. The team that didn’t ask him to lead won. We have Wemby. KD wouldn’t be our leader or our go to guy on offense. In fact, hanging out in the gym with KD every single day would only enhance Wemby since that’s who he is trying to emulate anyways. Might as well learn it from KD himself then watch film of KD
He did not sign this fat contract yet, but its already in load management to secure next big fat deal
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sa...299376334.html
The team has been linked in rumors to Nets forward Cam Johnson and Jazz forward John Collins, but as of Wednesday there had been no substantial improvements made to the roster while the team entered the day as the No. 10 seed in the NBA Western Conference at 24-22. “I think anything’s possible in this league. Like I said, crazier things have happened,” he said. Fox participated in Wednesday’s shootaround as normal and appears in line to start against the 76ers following up his 30-point performance on Sunday in a win over the Brooklyn Nets. He also confirmed he has a preferred destination, should he get traded, and pointed to what’s been reported about the San Antonio Spurs being his preferred landing spot. “For sure, I think everybody has a preferred destination,” Fox said. “I think everybody has a preferred destination if they’re not in the place that — or if they’re not going to be in the place where they are in the moment. I think it’s natural.” Fox was asked if he was bothered by the fact the Kings’ decision makers — namely owner Vivek Ranadivé, general manager Monte McNair and assistant GM Wes Wilcox — didn’t speak publicly following the sudden firing of Mike Brown Dec. 27. It led to speculation that Fox pushed for Brown’s removal while no one from the Kings publicly said otherwise. “I really won’t go into detail on any of that stuff,”
I just did. You simply dont agree.
i heard Windhorst today speaking about the potential Fox trade on the "Hoop Collective" podcast and at the 21:24 mark he mildly hints that some players could become available this summer but he backed off and said that he didn't want to get into that discussion. there will always be some surprising developments so just because names aren't available doesn't mean it couldn't happen. that's all part of the risk/reward scenario. if the spurs hold off for something better, they might miss out. if they act too hastily, they might miss out. and, of course, there's always the chance that some crazy lottery scenario comes to fruition.
This is a strawman. Nothing about not trading for Fox means Im arguing sa hold all their picks and make no other moves for 5 years. Thats redacted and before Fox became available this was never the argument lol
Im not taking him off the block, as Ive stated. Im saying I would be pissed if it’s Castle and that if it is Castle Im certainly not also giving 4+ firsts etc..
No - Windhorst is just a Spurs homer GM that’s fine with being mediocre for 5 years!! It’s impossible that any other one time all stars become available you must act now and do WHATEVER it takes!! Windhorst couldn’t name even one player that’s actually available
The Spurs have enough of a war chest in terms of picks and tradable salaries that they could get Fox this week and put together a very compe ive offer for another star this summer. The Spurs can trade a total of 8 firsts between the two trades and still comply with the Stepien Rule.
I'm not saying they should, but they can. The boatload of seconds can also help keep the bottom of the roster stocked with cheap deals if it comes to that.
No, you ing didn't.
Naming Luka and Ant isn't realistic, it's wishful thinking by someone who doesn't follow the league.
Realistic targets need to be backed up by arguments and you have none. I replied to every single one of your posts, then you go back to strawmans.
Fox is available.
Lauri was and Spurs didn't offer enough, it's uncertain if he's going to be available next summer.
Trae is obviously a player PATFO has no interest in because it would've been done a long time ago considering the picks situation.
That's it if we're talking about all-stars or players close to that level under 30.
I guess Windhorst and countless examples of other players isn’t enough. Only LeBowen “follows the league’ and is the arbiter of what’s “realistic”
Yeah, because ing EPSN is there for insightful analysis and not generating clicks based on vague statements.
Clueless .
These rumors have brought out the best of SpursTalk. This is the kind of debate I miss. WE ARE BACK BABY.
I wanted to share my thought (which are worth exactly nothing) on some things I've seen people say here and on the Spurs subreddit
1. Fox isn't even that good! He's barely even better than Vassell!
De'Aaron Fox has been a top-tier player essentially since the second season of his career (86th percentile in LEBRON and 92nd percentile in LEBRON WAR that year), and has been a 90+ percentile player for the last 3 seasons. Last season, he was 97th percentile in LEBRON and 98th percentile in LEBRON WAR. There are 450 NBA players at any given time, so that means using LEBRON as a proxy, Fox was definitionally a Top 15 player last season. The season before he was 94/95th percentile, meaning he was a Top 30 player. This year he is 90th/86th. Meaning he was a Top 45 player. Yes there is fluctuation year-to-year, this is true of any player, but Fox is consistently a Top 50 player overall.
He's also consistently a 90+ percentile offensive player using O-LEBRON as a proxy, Since his sop re season, he has been 90th, 93rd, 95th, 89th, 97th, 97th, 94th percentile in O-LEBRON. Long story short, he's an elite offensive player (and consistently so) and a top 25-30 player in the NBA (which corresponds to the Ringer's ranking of him as the 19th best player in the NBA).
Compare that to Devin, who has been a below median percentile player every year of his career other than his sop re season. 38, 69, 40, 37, 43. Devin is epitome of mid. Mid players are important too, and they may even be worth $27MM/yr. But they don't belong in the same breath as top players.
2. We can just wait until he is a free agent and sign him for free.
This is certainly subject to debate, but I think the odds are very low that Fox isn't traded somewhere and extended by the start of next season. Yes, his team is saying they'll only extend with San Antonio now, but they are trying to get to their preferred destination. At the end of the day, Fox isn't going to make All NBA this year so a SuperMax is out of the question. But a Max Extension with Bird Raises is 5/296 compared to a FA Max deal of 4/219. I seriously doubt Fox is going to hit free agency and leave $77 million on the table. This summer, if the Spurs don't pull the trigger, he'll become open to the idea of an extension with another team.
3. We should just wait for [Insert Player Here], he's better!
Some of these are not serious suggestions. Luka is also not going to be a Free Agent in the summer of 2026. He is not turning down a 5/35% supermax so that he can become a free agent and sign a 4/30% FA max. It's simply laughable to even believe this for a minute. Luka will sign a SuperMax this summer. He will be eligible to be traded 6 months after that. Could he demand a trade? Sure? Is there any reason to believe he will? Not serious ones. The same goes with Ant. You'll be waiting until 2029 to see if he demands a trade, because he won't do it before he secures a SuperMax. To my knowledge, Kawhi is the only player who has foregone a shoe-in SuperMax to force his way out.
But if by some 0.0001% chance happened and Luka was available next season or became a Free Agent... I could just see the posts now... "IDK about Luka, I really like Vassell I'm not sure he's worth giving up... and did you know that Shai is a Free Agent in 2027?" It's a never ending cycle. PATFO's Patience Grift has created an army of cultists who are always waiting to gamble on the next improbable scenario
4. But the mystery box could be a boat!
This one, I think actually has some merit. You don't want to be the team that traded away the pick that became Cooper Flagg or AJ Dyabantsa. But this is a solvable problem. Put Top-1 protection on the pick you send to SAC. I think anything beyond Top-1 is going a little too far, but Top-1 is reasonable. It will come with a cost however, you'll have maybe throw in a little sweetener to get that protection, but it's doable.
I look forward to this debate raging on!
You seem angry. Are you emotionally ok? Like outside of basketball? My DM’s are open if you need IRL help or someone to vent to. Basketball aside, I hope you are doing ok and Im here for you
As I said, re s like yourself who just trigger and strawman people are the cancer of every single forum.
You've provided absolutely no relevant arguments other than trying to present your delusions as something realistic.
You can't name A SINGLE ALL-STAR UNDER 30 who could ask out this or the next summer other than mentioned Fox, Lauri and Trae.
You're ing cancer and would've been warned on any reasonably moderated board.
I would've been banned for insulting you, but I'd gladly take that over having you spew your nonsense over and over.
There's also the chance the Spurs can thread the needle by trading for Fox, extending him, and then making Fox the centerpiece of a Doncic deal if Doncic really does try to skip town ASAP after signing his supermax.
Snowball's chance in but fun to think about.
definitely possible. and they would have more leverage, especially in the case of someone like a myles turner who would be a FA anyway. i'm actually more concerned about this year's #1 picks. SAC would want them and with jalen johnson out, ATL could drop to around 7th or 8th. our own pick could hover around 9th or 10th.
theres a saying somewhere about hands bushes and birds
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